thankyou for the reply and help keith, is it engine removal or done in situ?? as to the "stealer comment" the term is never aimed at any technician....just the ridiculous prices they charge e.g customer phoned me for a price for discs and pads on a 53 bora yesterday, i quoted £145 for lockheed fitted+vat..... the agents had quoted £150 labour +parts! theres a difference between making a decent living and just raping someone legaly i believe. anyway.....point dropped,my appology.