Hi mark/steve,

Thanks for the reply,ive managed to borrow the genuine ford immobiliser manual yesterday for this vehicle.(which is a really descriptive manual)

From what ive made out its a `pats 2` system which immobilises the starter and the EEC-v module,and there is a `coded scp message` between the pats and the EEC-V.so i do not think it cannot be bypassed unlike the pats1.

Mark,the led light on the dash doesnt illuminate at all under any condition,i have tested the led and there is 12v coming to the bulb but the pats will not illuminate it.And you were right in saying that it stops the injectors from working,as i have 12v at the injectors but doesnt earth when i try to start after bypassing the starter relay.

I have checked for and power and ground and they are fine,which is leading me to the pats as being faulty.

Steve,i have pulled the unit out and cannot see anything obvious blown.From what i have read in the manual the unit needs to be programmed in,so since i do not have IDS/wds i think that it will have to go to the dealer.(i hate saying that,ids is on top of my `wanted toys` list now,had a transit 05 plate which i couldn't code pump begining of the week also.)

Thanks for you replies,

Regards lee