Only a miracle is going to find someone who may have this if.. Was hoping to contact Ryan Frame..he had written an article in pointing dog journal of an interview with George Ryman's widowm Ellen. I had read this "infor" but can't find it.. It said there was a game farm quite close to ryman's kennels in PA and he, Ryman would take prospective buyers there to show the dogs and how they would work 'game'..this a always been "forbidden" to use game birds and not wild ones..according to breeders.. Anyone know anthing about this?