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need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters

Posted by andy johnson on May 11, 2021, 6:09 pm

may, 11, Trying to reach Ryan Frame for info. He is probably the best source of history? I am in michigan, Boondocks1935@hotmail.com or 269) 567-8279.. Appreciate any help

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Posted by Tim Tufts on May 11, 2021, 6:37 pm, in reply to "need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

A Snippet of English Setter History
March 26, 2020 National Purebred Dog Day®
English Setter, History,Richard Purcell Llewellin,Edward Laverack
To find one of the oldest gun dogs on record, one need not look further than the English Setter which, some experts believe, predates the “English” Pointer. Its history traces back to the 14th century to a time when it was originally called a Setting Spaniel used for locating and setting birds.
Cynologists point to the writings of sportsmen of the time to support the notion that the earliest English Setter was most likely developed in France out of the Spanish Pointer, then brought to England in the 1600s where it was further modified with the addition of the Water Spaniel and the Springer Spaniel.
Early dogs worked on the moorland free ranging in front of the hunter, quartering the ground and looking for birds. When found, the dog would crouch, or “set” and remain still in the direction of the birds, often lifting a paw to indicate their position. Upon command, the dogs would rise and drive birds into nets that had been laid over them, and this method continued into the late 18th century when guns replaced nets, and the term “Setting Spaniel” morphed into the word, “Setter.”
Setters didn’t separate into the setter breeds we know today until the 19th century, and within the English Setter breed, itself, various strains emerged with two being the most prominent: The English Setters seen in the show ring today are typically what some might refer to as Laverack style Setters named after Edward Laverack. In 1825, he began to develop his own line out of Ponto” and “Old Moll,” products of a 35-year-old English Setter line. The book he wrote, The Setter, published in 1872, was considered to be the definitive book on the breed and was the basis for the English Setter Standard.
Richard Purcell Llewellin developed his ideal by taking the best of Laverack’s dogs, and crossing them with a male named, “Duke.” Llewellin concentrated on working performance, and today’s field setter is frequently referred to as the Llewellin-type. Llewellin’s line were among the first English Setters to be imported to America.
The English Setter was first shown at a dog show held at Newcastle Upon Tyne in 1859, and it would go on to become one of the first nine breeds recognized by the AKC when it was founded in 1884. It was also among the first breeds to be registered with the United Kennel Club when that club broke off from the AKC in the early 1900’s.

Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters

Posted by andy johnson on May 11, 2021, 7:35 pm, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

May 11, 2021; Trying to reach Ryan Frame for info on the Ryman-Type English setter. He did an article years ago with George Ryman's widow. Hoping Ryman can fill me in on some questionable information.or point me to someone who may? Boondocks1935@hotmail.com

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Posted by andy johnson on May 13, 2021, 11:02 pm, in reply to "need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

Only a miracle is going to find someone who may have this if.. Was hoping to contact Ryan Frame..he had written an article in pointing dog journal of an interview with George Ryman's widowm Ellen. I had read this "infor" but can't find it.. It said there was a game farm quite close to ryman's kennels in PA and he, Ryman would take prospective buyers there to show the dogs and how they would work 'game'..this a always been "forbidden" to use game birds and not wild ones..according to breeders.. Anyone know anthing about this?

Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters

Posted by David on May 14, 2021, 7:54 pm, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

I’ll let Ryan know

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Posted by andy Johnson on May 27, 2021, 9:35 am, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

May 27, 2021. Tim Tufts:.. I live in southern< michigan. Regarding books on the Rymn-Type English setter. George Ryman Died in 1961.. His widow said during his 47 years of raising this type of setter, the raised 4,000 pups. Accept info, after George Ryman died, there are no more "Ryman's" only Ryman-Type. That 'uniquness is the way they are bred.. which is roughly half and half, half field bloodlines and half conformation bloodlines to produce: "The Gentleman's Shooting Dog". There is a litter 5 days old near Holly and another due about June 6 in Afton..If interested contack me Boondocks1935@hotmail.com.

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Posted by andy Johnson on May 27, 2021, 9:42 am, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

May 27, 2021. Sorry it has taken so long in responding..Boondocks1935@hotmail.com.. Two litters, one a week old, 8 pups., near Holly, Mi .Another due June 6 near Afton, Mi.Three books on this 'strain/type of English setters,The Gentleman's Shooting Dog" only has 500 copies, numbered..the largest. The Real Ryman Setter.. can get that by contacting the co-author in WV or Amazon. Always pleased to answer any questions.. I have been raising Ryman-Type setters since 1968..longer than Geroge Ryman himself.. Just hollar..

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Posted by andy Johnson on May 29, 2021, 7:07 am, in reply to "need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

May 29, 2021: A Ryman-Type litter is due in Michigan on June 6, 2021.. near Afton. Breeding is a 'blend" as Geroge Ryman advocated, roughly half and half, field and show. Details, boondocks1935@hotmail.com both parents, OFA-certified hips and elbows, Mother a blue and sire is O/W.

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Posted by andy Johnson on June 4, 2021, 7:38 am, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

June 4, 2021; the litter of Ryman-Type setters was born last evening in Afton, Michigan. More males than females..I think there were six or seven pups.. One is real small and may not make it.. The litter has the genetics os roughly half and half, half field (champions) and half conformation (champions). John Wilson owns the litter provide info.. Mother is Rainy and sire is Buck.. Both Parents have OFA certified hips and elbows.

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Posted by andy Johnson on June 20, 2021, 12:22 pm, in reply to "need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

June 20, Fathers Day. Ryman-type litter of English setter pups, DOB: 6/3/2021, 4-M, 3-F near Afton, Michigan. Ready to go about Labor Day week, John Wilson, 231-333-6131. Both parents OFA_ hips and elbows.I have the male/stud.

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Posted by andy Johnson on July 25, 2021, 8:23 am, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

July 25, 2021. Christmas..5 months early? The Ryman-Type litter DOB 6/3/21, is looking fine. The female pups are 'reserved/spoken for but a couple of the orange and white beltons are available. Strong, healthy and socialized daily. Shots, wormed ready to go to new homes around Labor Day. These are some beauties and all the Ryman history: "The Gentleman's Shooting Dogs"

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Posted by andy johnson: on August 3, 2021, 8:48 pm, in reply to "need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

August 3rd. Picked up my stud fee Ryman-Type setter female today at 8 weeks of age. "Boondocks Ryman's 'Misty" About a 10-11 o'clock tail..Looks like she is going to be a classy dog on birds. One on two orange belton males still remaining..Michigan.Boondocks Kennels.Roughly the Ryman-blend of half conformation and half field champions> : "The Gentleman's Shooting Dog".

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Posted by brian on August 11, 2021, 3:55 pm, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

i met old man ryman and his daughter years ago and got a female from them

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Posted by andy Johnson on August 12, 2021, 9:34 am, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

August 12, 2021
Brian..Are you sure you have the right George Ryman? He died in 1961 and was almost bed ridden after 1956 from a stroke and his wife, Ellen. took care of him..That was 65 years ago. I knew he had a son? When and where did you met them? Do you still have setters? Where do you live?

Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters

Posted by Justin on August 17, 2021, 8:35 pm, in reply to "Re: need info on history of Ryman-Type English setters"

Go on Shooting Sportsman Forum and find Dave B on the hunting dog forum. He’s your man with the info.

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