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A couple of things

Posted by Charlotte on March 18, 2023, 12:09 pm

Middle of verse. "for I PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM GOD". (John 16:27-28) "I CAME OUT FROM GOD. Verse 28 "I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER".

Could this mean that God birthed Jesus kind of like how we are born? Jesus was the ONLY begotten Son. He came forth from the Father. Begotten means to sire. The Father had other Son's but Jesus was the only one who was begotten. Jesus must have been the only one who came directly from the Father.

Just some thoughts.

Charlotte

Re: A couple of things

Posted by Ross on March 23, 2023, 2:58 am, in reply to "A couple of things"

G'day Charlotte,
YouTube is interesting: many varied opinions and experiences quoted left right and centre.
Each one can "back up " their arguments with supposed truth. However most are wrong.
Martin did say a lot of observations which were different to the others.
I agree with his location.
Either way the plan is significant, but the truth is in Christ and the master plan.
Jesus is indeed the first born: all was planned before the world began: everything made through him. He is greater than man and yet man does not know Him properly unless they are called. Hence each in their own time makes great sense.
The master plan is all inclusive- systematic not chaotic.

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Hi All,

Ross, I noticed in a post that you get on You Tube. Have you seen the video about the Temple being where the Dome of the Rock is? Supposedly they found the Ark of the Covenant under the Dome. Have you seen this? Does this mean that Dr. Martin was wrong about the Temple location?

Also, I was thinking about the birth of Jesus before the world began and wondered what everyone thought about this?

Jesus was called the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God. He was before ALL THINGS, which means he was the first thing that came into being. In (Revelation 22:13) Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING and the end, the FIRST and the last".

So, Jesus was the first thing that had a beginning.

(Col.1:15) "Who is the FIRSTBORN of EVERY CREATURE". (Col.1:17) "And he is BEFORE ALL THINGS".
(John 8:42 Middle of verse. "for I PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM GOD". (John 16:27-28) "I CAME OUT FROM GOD. Verse 28 "I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER".

Could this mean that God birthed Jesus kind of like how we are born? Jesus was the ONLY begotten Son. He came forth from the Father. Begotten means to sire. The Father had other Son's but Jesus was the only one who was begotten. Jesus must have been the only one who came directly from the Father.

Just some thoughts.

Charlotte

Re: A couple of things

Posted by Ross on March 23, 2023, 5:14 am, in reply to "Re: A couple of things"

G'day again,
The son of God is literal- the Jews recognise that being the son makes him equal with God- that's why they accused him of blasphemy.
We are children of God through Christ. No Father would reject His children.
Nothing can keep us from the love of God through Jesus Christ our Lord is a major statement.
All a glorious truth.
We will be like Christ in every regard when the resurrection happens

C.U

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Re: A couple of things

Posted by Margaret on March 24, 2023, 10:28 am, in reply to "A couple of things"

Hi Charlotte
Good to hear from you. The ASK article “Elohim and the Son of God Part 2 might be helpful. (Also Parts 1 and 3). The Second Adam appears to have been created as an adult (from dust). We will find out for sure one day, but maybe the First Adam was also created as an adult (from the Father). Things biblical tend to follow patterns.

Margaret

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Re: A couple of things

Posted by Charlotte on March 25, 2023, 12:21 pm, in reply to "Re: A couple of things"

Hi All,

Thank you Ross and Margaret for your answers. I have read all of Dr. Martins materials, I agree with most of what he said. In the first article of Elohim and the Sons of God Dr. Martin,...I believe David rewrote this.... wrote that Jesus was not created but the other Sons of God were. In the second article he says "Christ had a beginning and he was CREATED before time began". Don't know what he meant by the word "created".

Jesus said he came OUT from the Father and I am thinking that He was birthed, or was...literally a part of God, {born from God,} not from dirt... which would make him the first begotten. I was interested in how Jesus came into being before the world began, and wondered how you all saw this?

Charlotte

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Re: A couple of things

Posted by Ross on March 25, 2023, 7:31 pm, in reply to "Re: A couple of things"

G'day Charlotte,
I also agree with most of Martin.
Christ calling God "Father "should be a pretty clear statement- but that concept is clouded by the flesh deliberately so that the true God can only come to him by the true Christ.
Many know about God as a reality, just not yet as a child knows their father.
All part of the plan.

Re: A couple of things

Posted by Ross on March 30, 2023, 10:31 am, in reply to "Re: A couple of things"

G'day again,
Plenty is going on around the temple debate.
Interesting that the Jews have all the temple stuff as well as trained people for the process.
Outsiders are trying to convince them of the errors of their way, which to me reinforces the errors of their beliefs. Paul points out that the gentiles should not be claiming to be above the Jews [Romans 11].This is why I don't rely on them for revelation about the Temple location.
1 Thessalonians 5 gives the confidence in knowing what will happen and how and where and when.
C.U

Re: A couple of things

Posted by Charlotte on April 1, 2023, 11:20 am, in reply to "Re: A couple of things"

I saw yesterday that they have a red heifer and that they had found the Ark of the Covenant under the Dome of the Rock. Don't know how true it all is? Also just recently they supposedly found another Temple, I imagine it is the one Dr. Martin talked about, don't know for sure. Well, I know for sure things are getting closer today than they were yesterday.

Charlotte

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Re: A couple of things

Posted by Ross on April 1, 2023, 10:04 pm, in reply to "Re: A couple of things"

Indeed very interesting.
Pondering the Ark of the Covenant: maybe that was shifted/relocated during the destruction of the temple process. That would place the Ark away from the temple.
CU

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