Dan Julien's Forum: Re: A couple of things

Hi All,

Thank you Ross and Margaret for your answers. I have read all of Dr. Martins materials, I agree with most of what he said. In the first article of Elohim and the Sons of God Dr. Martin,...I believe David rewrote this.... wrote that Jesus was not created but the other Sons of God were. In the second article he says "Christ had a beginning and he was CREATED before time began". Don't know what he meant by the word "created".

Jesus said he came OUT from the Father and I am thinking that He was birthed, or was...literally a part of God, {born from God,} not from dirt... which would make him the first begotten. I was interested in how Jesus came into being before the world began, and wondered how you all saw this?

Charlotte

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Hi Charlotte
Good to hear from you. The ASK article “Elohim and the Son of God Part 2 might be helpful. (Also Parts 1 and 3). The Second Adam appears to have been created as an adult (from dust). We will find out for sure one day, but maybe the First Adam was also created as an adult (from the Father). Things biblical tend to follow patterns.

Margaret

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Hi All,

Ross, I noticed in a post that you get on You Tube. Have you seen the video about the Temple being where the Dome of the Rock is? Supposedly they found the Ark of the Covenant under the Dome. Have you seen this? Does this mean that Dr. Martin was wrong about the Temple location?

Also, I was thinking about the birth of Jesus before the world began and wondered what everyone thought about this?

Jesus was called the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God. He was before ALL THINGS, which means he was the first thing that came into being. In (Revelation 22:13) Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING and the end, the FIRST and the last".

So, Jesus was the first thing that had a beginning.

(Col.1:15) "Who is the FIRSTBORN of EVERY CREATURE". (Col.1:17) "And he is BEFORE ALL THINGS".
(John 8:42 Middle of verse. "for I PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM GOD". (John 16:27-28) "I CAME OUT FROM GOD. Verse 28 "I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER".

Could this mean that God birthed Jesus kind of like how we are born? Jesus was the ONLY begotten Son. He came forth from the Father. Begotten means to sire. The Father had other Son's but Jesus was the only one who was begotten. Jesus must have been the only one who came directly from the Father.

Just some thoughts.

Charlotte