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Posted by Xariel Soto on 1/26/2025, 10:04 am

Hi Xariel Soto of river ridge high school here, Just wanted to let you guys know that I have beaten a few ranked kids this season including, Wyatt harper twice, Reece Decourval, Brody Strandt, Greysen Serl, And Elijah Leader, while I know not all of these guys are 3A like me they’re still ranked and I was wondering if it merits a ranking? I have also placed top 3 in every tournament i’ve been to this year Minus one where I had to medically forfeit due to an MCL problem

Re: Rankings

Posted by rankings on 1/26/2025, 12:12 pm, in reply to "Rankings"

should merit a ranking. speaking of which when will the next 3a rankings be posted?

Re: Rankings

Posted by Guy on 1/26/2025, 4:48 pm, in reply to "Rankings"

How many unranked wrestlers have you lost to?

Re: Rankings

Posted by Xariel on 1/26/2025, 4:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Rankings"

0 every person i’ve lost too is ranked in some division of the state all decision losses most coming from when I was wrestling up at 165

Re: Rankings

Posted by big dog on 1/26/2025, 5:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Rankings"

Looks like you will be able to slip in under the radar and be a bracket buster.

Re: Rankings

Posted by Yup on 1/27/2025, 8:55 am, in reply to "Re: Rankings"

That’s the best…to be under ranked. And sneak attack people.

Advice

Posted by Coach G on 1/26/2025, 5:09 pm, in reply to "Rankings"

Hey Xariel, I have seen you wrestle a few times. You're very good. As a wrestler who once obsessed over rankings, the best advice I wish I had heard was the rankings don't matter. If you've beaten those guys, you know you can beat them, you know you're better, so it doesn't matter if you're not ranked and they are. Just keep working hard and doing your best and let the results speak for themselves. You got this

Re: Advice

Posted by big dog on 1/26/2025, 5:14 pm, in reply to "Advice"

He's right. Rankings DO matter for tracking who is doing what in the state and for us fans. Being ranked or not being ranked never, ever cost anyone a state title. NEVER, EVER!

Re: Advice

Posted by Boggles the Mind on 1/27/2025, 7:45 am, in reply to "Advice"

Rankings amount to an informed or uninformed opinion by an individual or group.

Rankings on WWR have this air of legitimacy and objectiveness that may or may not be warranted.

This year has not been a banner year for rankings on this platform. Hopefully, it's just a fluke.

To give one glaring example of just how bad it is on this platform where rankings are concerned, take a look at 2A 113 Boys. Cruz is ranked 10th at 2A. This ranking was published well into the season, after the new year, and just boggles the mind. Even more so considering it was pointed out, with ample examples, and still persists.

May be hard to hear or accept, but WWR rankings are not reliable and are over-rated.

Re: Advice

Posted by Ted on 1/27/2025, 7:55 am, in reply to "Re: Advice"

Agreed! I looked at 2A yesterday for some reason, and had to double check that it wasn't preseason. A few that stand out as mind-boggling:
106 Nery Rivas #10
113 Audon Clark #7
113 Arcadius Cruz #10
126/138 Mason Russell #2/3 (really?)
132 Nick Richardson #5 (out for the season, hasn't wrestled a match)

Re: Advice

Posted by Biggest Surprise on 1/27/2025, 8:08 am, in reply to "Re: Advice"

Rivas is an easy 1 or 2.

Cruz is an easy 1 or 2.

Re: Advice

Posted by WA wrestling fan on 2/3/2025, 8:59 am, in reply to "Re: Advice"

Rivas and Cruz are examples which shine some light on the veracity of the rankings, especially in 2A this year. While I appreciate the ranker taking his time to put this imformation out, I think outher information such has quality of the tournaments, quality of oppenents and record with similar opponents. I understand Cruz and Rivas are freshman, but you shouldn't necessary need head to head match ups and a high school state showing to rank these wrestelers, as well as many others. For example, Rivas has only lost one match which happens to be to Lazarus McEwen (#1 at 106). His wins inlcuded out of state tournaments and overall tougher tournaments such as Tri-state, the viking invite, etc.

Cruz took 8th place at DocB which is a top 5 high school tournament in the nation. His only instate losses are to One wrestler, Brycen Dawley (#1 4a 113). Aside from that, Cruz did tech Audon Clark in their dual, yet is still ranked lower than Clark.

From my perspective, I would seem that too much emphasis is placed on previous state participation or placing and a lack of evaluation of the quality wins. There can't always be head to head match ups. Ideally we would like head to head match ups, but the sesaon doesn't always work out this wey. These two have done well against the top wrestlers in many divisions inluding 3a and 4a studs.

Re: Advice

Posted by Biggest Surprise on 2/3/2025, 9:29 am, in reply to "Re: Advice"

You don't have to convince me.

Anyone with their ear to the ground for the last few years should know who these incoming kids were.

Re: Advice

Posted by WesternWA_Guy on 2/3/2025, 9:37 am, in reply to "Re: Advice"

When rankings don't reflect reality, they begin to lose their purpose.

At some point, it begins to reflect poorly on the site overall.

Re: Advice

Posted by Dave G on 2/3/2025, 7:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Advice"

You can always feel free to email me and throw your hat in the ring for a division next year. I don't replace people that are doing the job well but sometimes they are weaker because that person volunteered to help, as a favor to us, and may not really have the time to do as thorough a job as someone else may. They may be relieved to hear we have a will replacement. Every person has different jobs with different time constraints. Whenever I have volunteered for something, because they needed help, and I was stressed for time, I was never upset when they came up with someone to take my place. That happened in 1A last year and Mike came in to help. He took over this year and is able to put out a good product in his first year, which is really good. Humint One took a lot of hits on here about his rankings the first year but got really dialed in by year 2-3 and has been solid every year since in 2 divisions, except for this year. Right now is a difficult and he has been unable to put out rankings the past few weeks. He has become my friend and I will not push on him during this time, as I know what is going on, and I know the problems will come to an end, we just don't know when.

Somebody earlier said they hoped this year was a fluke because the site has a 20 year history of quality rankings for this state and almost 30 years of results and history. I think we are finally pretty solid this week, except for the 3A and 4A as mentioned above. After districts I may jump in myself and see if I can help our 2A ranker with analyzing results.

I will talk with all the rankers after the season to determine future staffing. Just like I said earlier, a ranker may not have time, or they lose the interest, etc, and so it is true for a web host. I have been doing this for almost 30 years. I used to also do the PCJWL and the WSWA sites, as well as this one. It was fun at first but became a grind with the others after a while. I was not upset at all when PCJWL decided to go in house with their own web host (thanks Steve!) and it took some pressure off of me. A couple of years later all the USAW state websites where supposed to switch over to a new platform and I didn't have the time or energy to learn a new one after I had just spent 2 years totally revamping the WWR to a new hosting platform. They came up with a volunteer to take over their site and I was relieved. The point is, feel free to volunteer each year for a division as year to year we never know whose lives or interests will change. I may have no need one year and need to fill three spots the next.

If I can make sure to have a really strong crew for next year I will see about cranking out a "30th Anniversary Celebration Tour" for the website, and I may bring back the All-Class rankings, done by myself. I don't think I have done those myself in 10+ years but maybe one big, final year. Maybe more...Time will tell. Every dog has its day.

Re: Advice

Posted by 2A Ranker on 1/31/2025, 8:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Advice"

Yes I saw I missed the double entry for Mason he is fixed in the latest version. Hopefully, that will be posted tomorrow. Nick Richardson is not in the rankings either. The others if there are matches that shows they have beaten the kids that are ranked higher or been to other evidence to show they should be higher. Some of the kids are freshman so that makes it harder to rank them. I am very happy to look and adjust any information that comes in.
Correct I do rankings as a volunteer. So they don't get done when others want them but when I am able to do them. As much as I want to get them out weekly that is not always possible. But I am more than happy to take any information and use it to help with the rankings to make them better.

Re: Advice

Posted by Dave G on 2/1/2025, 2:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Advice"

Thank you 2A ranker for your efforts. This is never easy and I know you have worked late into the night at times to fit this in, as have the other rankers. I hope everyone realizes that ALL the rankers have full-time jobs and do rankings in their spare time.

Re: Rankings

Posted by ADVICE on 1/27/2025, 8:55 am, in reply to "Rankings"

Although I understand the wanting to be ranked, think of the advantage you will have "not" being ranked and becoming that dark horse that nobody pays attention to. It's not always what others think - as long as you believe in yourself - that's all that matters!

Re: Rankings

Posted by Biggest Surprise on 1/27/2025, 9:18 am, in reply to "Re: Rankings"

The feeling of disrespect can be motivating. I watched a kid a few years ago get no credit all season in the rankings and went on to destroy everybody, including a few kids that beat him during the season. Ultimate darkhorse. The only people it didn't surprise was anyone that knew him.

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