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Ford KA 1.3 2001 - Airbag module replacement (second hand) - Fixed #

Posted by Shane Gray on February 11, 2014, 3:09 pm

Year of Manufacture *: 2001
( Optional ) Engine Code or CC: 1.3 petrol

Hi,
Can I fit a secondhand airbag module on to these?
will it need programing?
Thanks in advance
Shane

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by Mark Carter <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT1428' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 11, 2014, 5:02 pm, in reply to "Ford KA Airbag module"
Mark Carter

Does your diagnostic tool give you the option to re-configure the ECU (with or without pre-tenionsors etc)

Does your Insurance give your testicles adequate cover in the event of a claim.

Mark

Modern cars, Its all wizardry and witchcraft

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by SHANE GRAY <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=ukat3442' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 11, 2014, 5:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"
Shane Gray

Hi Mark,
Thanks again for response.
I have the DEC ss2 so I think it can configure so should all good.
I no I shouldn't be fitting second hand parts put what can you do when cars worth few hundred and customer is skint!
It must be better to have airbag work with second hand part then not work!
Shane

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by tony bickers <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5143' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 11, 2014, 7:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"
Anthony Bickers

Hi Shane,

Just had same scenario on an 01 Focus, B1342 ECU failure, this is one of my cars,when I was looking into this the DEC only offers three options for programming,Country, right or left hand drive,and side airbags present?

Luckily, I had a donor vehicle in corner of yard with a dead engine with exactly same configuration with SRS components and the SRS ECU from that put the warning lamp out,I cannot see any reason why this replacement ECU would not fire the airbags,but it will only be me driving it,so unless I drive into a brick wall I wont know if this ECU works?

On another note,SRS components are time limited,usually to ten years,how many here are changing out airbags,pretensioners,side airbags etc etc because the service schedule said so? can you imagine customers reaction,2 grand to replace your srs system,no thanks, but that is what manufacturer reccomends??

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by sean savage <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5559' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 11, 2014, 8:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"
Sean Savage

I can see both sides of the coin but lets face it

1 your job is not to risk a "potential" dangerous repair or scenario just to save your customer money

2 Risk a HUGE potential insurance claim god forbid anything go wrong.

3 Is it really worth the potential consequences to make a tiny profit on this job.

i would explain this to your customer and i am sure they will understand or make them sign a total disclaimer on your repair understanding and reading what they sign i bet they change their minds.

Not knocking you for doing the job but that next service outside has way more profit and a 1000 times less risk.

sean

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by Tony bickers <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5143' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 11, 2014, 9:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"
Anthony Bickers

Hi Sean,

I was anticipating incoming flak when I saw this post from Shane earlier,I have had dealings with Shane in the past and his approach is the same as mine,we deal with a lot of old clankers,a new srs ecu would probably write an otherwise ok car off,just last week I had to send a Lexus rx300 to the scrapyard because it failed on emissions big time,Â£2500 for the three cats

,I know all the arguments about fitting second hand but needs must as they say.

In my other job as a firefighter,I had the misfortune to attend a fatal road accident involving a police traffic car that side swiped a parked 40ft container, car was a total wreck,killed the driver and left passenger with life changing injuries,not a single airbag fired !!!! I know the police serious accident investigator who investigated this crash,the non deployment of airbags was not even mentioned in his report to the coroner,

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by Tony bickers <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5143' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 11, 2014, 10:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"
Anthony Bickers

As a follow on, how many of you here are replacing srs components as advised by the manufacturer..?.

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Hi Tony, I too can see both sides of the coin, and my post was not meant to put anybody down in any way shape or form.

Its just that we (the UK) are quickly following America down the road of "wheres there's blame, there's a claim". and some solicitor will be looking for any reason to sue somebody.

I'm also fully aware of the time limit on some SRS components, and as you say what customer is going to replace them.

The difference being though is that as a "competent person" we have told them about the need to replace the components and have fulfilled our "duty of care" opposed to the other way round.

As a side note (and I'm sure you know this as a fireman) with regard to your comment about the firing of air bags.

>>> fatal road accident involving a police traffic car that side swiped a parked 40ft container <<<

This would have been because the SRS system monitors the angle of impact and deploys the associated firing loop, side impacts very rarely fall within the strategy of the monitoring system. Again I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong just fact. ( the "normal" angle of monitoring for deployment is 60 Degrees from the front and 90 degrees viewed from the side)Although some of the latest systems are getting very clever.

Regards

Mark

Modern cars, Its all wizardry and witchcraft

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by Ian Baxter <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT1560' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 11, 2014, 10:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"

Hello Tony,
In my self inflicted pile of personal cars

, I own a 1996 Toyota Paseo with twin airbags and a 2002 Toyota Landcruiser Amazon again with twin airbags and I can honestly say ......... As Long as the lights stays out I will be letting sleeping dogs lye

I do own older but luckily no airbags

and the wife drives a 5year old Lexus with more airbags and related SRS bits and bobs than I care to think about, so hoping it behaves itself

or else

And as a hobby I tinker with the older vehicles,

So, as for the newer generation of classic cars where is the long term future here ??
Ian.

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by Graham Bullock <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT2744' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 11, 2014, 11:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"
Graham Bullock

No, I have never been asked to replace any SRS components due to manufactures recommendations and have as yet never advised this in writing to a customer - I think it would just make me the talk of the town as a garage that is looking to make a quick thousand or two and that would frighten customers away for good. But, where do we stand with this? Do we need to advise this, or can we assume that the customer can read their own handbook.

After reading the posts about makers parts supply saying parts are now obsolete for 10 year old vehicles I think you can guess the way things are going to go!

Throw away vehicles with a ten year lifespan (if some of the modern crap can survive that long).

Graham

Fixed #

Posted by Shane gray on February 20, 2014, 7:04 am, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"
Edited by board administrator February 25, 2014, 6:44 pm

Second hand module fitted with same part number, no config needed. Job done.
I have put a note on invoice that second hand module was fitted at customer request.
Thanks guys.
Shane

Re: Ford KA Airbag module

Posted by Michael WHitworth <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5568' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 24, 2014, 7:00 am, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module"
Mike Whitworth - Administrator

>>>>But, where do we stand with this? Do we need to advise this, or can we assume that the customer can read their own handbook.<<<<

I have a friend who was sued by a customer who had a Rover cambelt snap on him after a service.

The judge ruled that because he was the professional he should have advised the customer about the cambelt.

I'm guessing if push came to shove A judge would rule against the garage should an SRS system fail due to missing a manufacturers recommended change.

It doesn't bear thinking about does it?

Mike

M.O.M. Miserable Old Manc

Re: Ford KA Airbag module/fixed

Posted by Tony Sefton <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5581' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on February 24, 2014, 8:40 am, in reply to "Re: Ford KA Airbag module/fixed"
Tony Sefton

I had a chat with an insurance assessor a few years ago about fitting used car parts, He said fitting used parts is not a problem as the parts are designed for the vehicle so are classed as "Fit for purpose". Whether a judge would have the same theory is anyone's guess.

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