Renault Clio I 1.2 D7F 1999 - RF key immobiliser fault, new Clip user - Fixed #
Posted by Martin Kelly on October 2, 2011, 11:57 am
Year of Manufacture *: 1999 ( Optional ) Engine Code or CC: 1.2 D7F
Hi
The car has had intermittent starting issues but now will not start using either of the 2 keys supplied. I have recently purchased Clip and this is the first job using it so I am very much on a learning curve with this and some help would be very much appreciated. With the key out of ignition the immob. light flashes 1 per second, with key in ignition on it then flashes rapidly and when I attempt to start it keeps flashing rapidly - no start, same with both keys. Going into Immobiliser with Renault Clip there are no fault codes logged. Going into List of Statuses with key in but ignition off see screenshot below
With ignition on see screenshot below
The info shown above would show that the keys are faulty, or have I missed something? The Multitimer and Antenna Ring fuses are good. I looked in Engine ECU and fault code 13G - Saved memory lost - was logged and this clears but eventually returns after a number of attempted restarts. What does this 'saved memory' refer to please?
The central locking does not work from either key but does using the button in the car. I understand that the central locking an immobiliser are seperate but thought it worth mentioning. Assuming I order a new key from Renault does it come with code ready to use or can I code it using Clip and if so, how?
Apologies for long post but wanted to post as much info as possible and would like to solve this as I now have proper kit.
Thanks for your time, Martin.
Re: Renault Clio II - RF key immobiliser fault - new Clip user
hi martin. you are correct you do have key failure by the look of it. very common fault. you will order the key from renault from vehicle vin number. the keys will come pre-cut to the vehicles ignition,the transponder keys are approx £75 each +vat. now the last 2 of these i have done have both not required coding to start the vehicle,a few previously have. the clip can recode the keys to the car and the central locking fob is coded in at the same time BUT it works on a principal similar to the fords,your clip will retrieve a code when you begin programming and you need the dealer to translate that code into the correct access code. the actual operation with clip is simple.if the keys do need programing and you dont have a friendly dealer i can get you the access code if you email me the clip code it gives you. regards sean
Re: Renault Clio II - RF key immobiliser fault - new Clip user
Hi Martin. As Sean say's it looks like you have 2x faulty keys. ( not unusual for a clio ) and most customers never get the 1st faulty key sorted out until the 2nd one goes faulty.
Being a 1999, I would think its a Clio 1 ( Ariel at front of roof and smaller headlights )
Clio 1 keys do not need programming to start the vehicle as they all come with the same fixed code. But the remote will need programming which is normally done with clip and some can be done using the central locking button.
In your position, I would now Test the keys in a Transponder reader / copier to prove 100% that the keys are faulty, If you haven't got a Reader, Your local Auto locksmith should be able to do it for you, If they don't work, Squeeze the Remote as hard as you can as you try to read it and you can normally get one of the keys to read.
once you can get it to read, You can then copy the information onto a T5 transponder chip and insert it into the slot in the key case that renault must have put there as they knew that the on board transponder was going to go faulty.
if the locksmith has a zed bull or AD900 or similar machine, once he gets a read off the chip, he can also tell you the 4 x digit security code for that vehicle.
I then put the key into the ignition without the circuit board and see if it starts from the new transponder chip. if it does, unsolder the ariel off the circuit board to stop it interfering with the signal from the new chip. ( i would think we get a 95% success rate with the above method )
This fault is sometimes caused by the transponder ariel on the circuit board coming unsoldered from the board, but its usually worse if the keys are opened up and messed around with so I always try to get a read off it before i open it up ( and hope the customer hasn't been tampering ).
You can also try squeezing the faulty keys whilst turning the ignition on and you can normally get the LED to go out and start the car.
Clio 1 keys are ordered to chassis no ready programmed and take several days to come.
clio 2 keys ( 2000 on ) with ariel at the back of the roof, are supplied from stock and require programming using a security code supplied by the Dealer.
The remotes need testing on an RF tester to see if they are working, But at least if the above method works, Then the car can be running in 10 minutes, rather than waiting days or sometimes weeks for the new key to arrive.
Hope that helps. Tony.
Re: Renault Clio II - RF key immobiliser fault - new Clip user
Hi guys, thanks for your help in confirming the keys are faulty. It is indeed a Clio I as it has the ariel at the front of the roof. The remotes I tested using RF/IR tester and only worked within 6" of the tester. How do I programme the remote using Clip?
Thanks again, Martin.
Re: Renault Clio II - RF key immobiliser fault - new Clip user
Seen a lot of these and I always just reheat all the connections on the board in the key. Takes about 5 mins to do all the connections (apart from a few that are too close to other components to get too) and works every time. Cost effective solution that works as well as a new key.
New plip arrived today from Renault France £94.11 + vat RRP. Changed over key blade and car started first time. Central locking will not reset using in car central locking button method, I read that new keys will not reset this way. Went into Connection Unit - Command mode - Program 2nd plip - now all working.
Kinda scary how easy it is to purchase a key that will open and start the car straight away without coding isn't it!! glad its sorted. i havent had a single clio that will pre-program central locking yet by using the central locking button method in the car