this has run me all over trying to find the fault. it is a trade customer who wants it out of his way,i had start feed in and out of fusebox,wire traced going somewhere along the rear of the heaterbox assembly....the wire must be open cirsuit behind there,wouldnt pay for that removing so i offered to wire up a seperate relay down to the starter with no gaurantee....he accepted,works fine,but i have warned him he may have a loom fault in behind the heater and may develop other problems. thnx for the replys guys, sean