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was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by garry workman on 8/19/2012, 14:37:27

looking for any other security police from this time frame I have much useful information for anyone filing a sc claim for herbicide exposure.

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by garry workman on 8/31/2012, 12:57:20, in reply to "was sp from 1971-1972"

slight mistake tdy on closing 1971 permenant duty on reopening 1972-1973 then permenant duty at u tapho 1973-1974 with a tdy to u-dorn 1973 again can supply information on herbicide exposure at any bases mentioned.

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by merv hayner on 9/7/2012, 7:18:04, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

Garry,
Would you forward any info on herbicides at Takhli, I closed it in 71 and filed in 05 still fighting it. To much information not in MPF's.
Send it to me at mghayner@hotmail.com
Thanks and welcome home.
Merv

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by garry w workman on 9/8/2012, 9:02:02, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

ok buddy i will email you

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by Dennis on 9/8/2012, 13:37:09, in reply to "was sp from 1971-1972"

Gary,
I would very much appreciate any herbicide exposure type information you would share. I wasn't an actual air policeman, I normaly worked on the flightline on F-105s at Takhli but in May -June 69 I was pulled from my unit for a month as an augmentee guard to help defend the perimeter with the security police. I still have a lot of memories of that duty. Sadly, like most or all augmentees, none of that augmentee duty was recorded in my personnell records.
If you have some stuff that would help me with my claim I would much appreciate getting it.
My email address is rosco@windstream.net
....thanks....Dennis

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by garry workman on 9/8/2012, 21:31:33, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

dennis my e mail is lassie1958@gmail.com i will get you an e mail off tommorrow next monday i have an appointment at my congressmans office to get some more clarification on the law as it is written. Reguardless as to the way its written many claims are going thru. Key word is proximity

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by garry w workman on 9/11/2012, 18:23:11, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

Hello everyone after going thru most of the messages I thought i would get this out if you file a claim do not for the word agent orange use the word herbicides. The DOD still denys any use of Agent Orange in thailand. When your claim gets to the triage stage they swich to a Cfr38 section that specifically looks 2,4-d picloram and cardilonic salts There are 1500 herbicdes that contain 2,4-d thats one half of agent orange also if white was used it contained paraquat. The rule under cfr38 also states proximity rather than near the perimeter,Also keep close contact with your claim.Question every letter that is sent. Im going on 14 monthes and I was an SP and have cancer and onset parkinsons. I have been using the DAV and my local Congressman and have still caught the VRO in many errors

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by Dennis on 9/18/2012, 15:30:29, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

I use the phrase agent orange and other herbicides in my claim statements to cover herbicides in general plus agent orange. It is not necessarily still true about the VA not recognizing AO was used in Thailand. In at least one vet's case the VA acknowledged AO was used in Thailand. This vet won his claim.
A quote from Citation Nr: 1113603 Decision Date: 04/06/11 “In summary, the evidence of record shows that the Veteran served in Thailand during the Vietnam era the period in which VA has acknowledged that Agent Orange was used near the air base perimeter at Udorn AFB.”
“The majority of troops in Thailand during the Vietnam era were stationed at the Royal Thai Air Force Bases of U-Tapao, Ubon, Nakhon Phanom, Udorn,Takhli, Korat, and Don Muang. If a veteran served on one of these air bases as a security policeman, security patrol dog handler, member of a security police squadron, or otherwise served near the air base perimeter, as shown by
MOS (military occupational specialty), performance evaluations, or other
credible evidence, then then herbicide exposure should be acknowledged on a facts found or direct basis. “
Service connection for ischemic cardiomyopathy with congestive heart failure,as due to exposure to herbicides, is granted. The VA didn't mention AO at this point where it granted the claim. It used the word herbicides but they did not deny his claim because he used agent orange exposure in his claim statements.

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by garry w workman on 9/18/2012, 19:58:36, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

I agree with that part as written the only thing i am going by is the denial that a very close freind o mine was denied for saying Agent Orange he did win his NOD after he changed his wording each VRO works diffferntly unfortunatly Charlie passed away last week from Cancer.

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by Dennis on 9/18/2012, 21:53:44, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

Garry,
Sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. Glad to hear though that he won his claim. It's a slippery slope choosing the right words in a claim. Hopefully all VA offices will some day soon start working by the same rules. Things are getting better and Thailand vet's are winning claims. Also hopefully some day soon the the VA will concede that any vet who served at a military base in Thailand was exposed to herbicides so we all can stop the hoop jumping to get a claim approved.

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by garry workman on 10/1/2012, 20:25:16, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

thank you Dennis The good news is I finaly won my appeal on my first claim so there is a little breathing room for the second one. 6 monthes 100% for the laryngeal cancer for the six monthes allowed by law and 30% maximum allowed by law for the residuals. Now there is a fast track in for Parkinsons we will see how long that one takes.

Re: was sp from 1971-1972

Posted by Allen Cope on 8/24/2019, 13:06:29, in reply to "Re: was sp from 1971-1972"

Dennis, I was reading your email mentioning that you were not an SP but was part of a group of men that assisted in guarding the perimeter of the base at Takhli around 71 and 72. I was part of that group. I came from the FMS jet engine shop. Can you send me any additional info regarding that time period and your progress? My email address if alcope1033@gmail.com Thanks so much. Al Cope

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