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Royals at Sandringham Church

Posted by Hollie24 on December 25, 2023, 9:02 am

Fergie was with them. Maybe there will be an announcement soon?

The King's Christmas message

Posted by Hollie24 on December 25, 2023, 10:07 am, in reply to "Royals at Sandringham Church"

Re: The King's Christmas message

Posted by Susan T on December 25, 2023, 11:19 am, in reply to "The King's Christmas message"

It's very clever of Charles, even if it's a decision driven by his narcissism, not to be surrounded by photos and objets d'art when giving his speech.

It eliminates all the media attempts to find hidden meanings in the choice and placement of such objects and helps to keep the focus on what he's said.

Re: The King's Christmas message

Posted by Hollie24 on December 25, 2023, 11:22 am, in reply to "Re: The King's Christmas message"

Yes, I noticed that. A nicely-decorated Christmas tree and a good view out the window--there's nothing about which to speculate.

Re: The King's Christmas message

Posted by karenl on December 26, 2023, 12:12 am, in reply to "Re: The King's Christmas message"

A shrewd and smart decision.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church

Posted by Martha on December 25, 2023, 10:23 am, in reply to "Royals at Sandringham Church"

He wore your favorite coat.

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Re: Royals at Sandringham Church

Posted by Hollie24 on December 25, 2023, 10:35 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church"

Thank Heavens it was the newer edition!

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church

Posted by Carolyn on December 26, 2023, 8:53 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church"

I can't believe it. I don't think that coat is very Christmasy, but what do I know. I was disappointed in Camilla's coat also.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Nellie on December 25, 2023, 6:05 pm, in reply to "Royals at Sandringham Church"

A video. Lots of flowers being offered and accepted.
I love the way Johnny moves discreetly throughout.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Hollie24 on December 25, 2023, 7:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

It looks like Charles has allowed Fergie back in the family. He's said to dislike her as much s his father did, so I wonder why he's allowed her back.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Candace on December 25, 2023, 10:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Sometimes when one gets older you tend to get a little more forgiving. After all, Charles has no room to talk about others and their faults.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Hollie24 on December 25, 2023, 11:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

I tend to think allowing Fergie back in is a way to get Andrew to stop trying to be a working Royal again.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by karenl on December 26, 2023, 12:21 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

It was a nice touch to allow Fergie to join the family, Fergie has a serious health issue now and it is time to let bygones be bygones. I did have to shake my head, Fergie was driving security nuts by her bounding over to the crowd, even if she meant well. Beatrice had to go over to her mother and gently move her on.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Martha on December 26, 2023, 2:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Philip is the one who wanted nothing to do with Fergie, so I think the late queen kept her away at Christmas in deference to her husband's wishes even after he passed. Elizabeth would have Fergie to tea at Sandingham over Christmas and during the year, but not when Philip was around. It looks like Elizabeth didn't make Charles promise to keep Fergie out in the cold, so he's allowing her back for some family events. She's good for Andrew and helps keep him contained. Including Fergie might have been part of an agreement for Andrew to stop lobbying to get back on active duty.

Another angle to this is showing how the family can expand itself to include those who have hurt them and embarrassed the monarchy.

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Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by karenl on December 26, 2023, 7:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

My mother liked Fergie and one reason was that despite Fergie's mistakes, she never said anything negative about the Royal Family and remained loyal to the Queen, she never allowed negative talk about the Queen. That's a huge difference, too.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Martha on December 26, 2023, 10:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Andrew was the only one whose forgiveness Fergie needed. The rest of the family could be amused, angry or annoyed but her transgression was against her (then) husband and daughters. The world piled on (I'm guilty) but she never rose to the bait and badmouthed anyone in The Firm. She made some horribly wrong moves and is impossible with money, but she remained loyal to Andrew's family.

In retrospect, seeing the C/C/D debacle and Anne's first marriage falling apart the Yorks may not have needed to divorce. Andrew was hurt and humiliated, but they could have been given an out-of-the-way assignment for a few years until everyone calmed down.

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Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by karenl on December 27, 2023, 12:27 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

I think with Fergie, it was a double standard. Charles was the adulterer in the Wales couple (until the truth about Diana came later), Mark Philips the same. Both men. The Queen and Prince Philip sided with Diana, until she messed up and the family wagon circled against her.
Here comes Fergie, the wife, caught in damaging photos and she was the bad guy, especially in the eyes of Philip. Diana was still tolerated by the Royals, even Philip after the divorce. Fergie was not, except by HM. I don't think Andrew had a choice, he was told/pressured to obtain a divorce. I loved the late DOE dearly, but it was said that he looked at Fergie as bringing disgrace to the Royals, well, he forgot about his eldest child.
Anne and Mark's divorce was handled so discreetly it surprised people but didn't make as much of a tidal wave as the others, although it was, "another of the Queen's children divorcing?" Anne and Mark remained close after the divorce also. Mark has always kept discreet after all these years.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Susan T on December 27, 2023, 1:43 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Fergie wanted a divorce before those photos were taken. The Queen was going to pay her overdraft, and in return, Fergie was supposed to behave discreetly.

Instead, Fergie continued to spend like a drunken sailor, traveling around Europe with her staff and Johnny Bryan.

When the photos were published, the Queen withdrew her offer to pay Fergie's debts. Fergie dragged her heels regarding the divorce in an attempt to get a larger settlement. And what a surprise, once the divorce was finalized, and she didn't get the large settlement she expected, Johnny Bryan dumped her.

And then the rewriting of history began. She never had affairs, she never wanted a divorce, she had to get a divorce so that she could earn money, she received only 15,000 pounds as a settlement, she had to work so her daughters could have Strawberry Shortcake tee shirts, Prince Philip called her pointless, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Like TO and TOW, you knew she was lying because her mouth was moving.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Carolyn on December 27, 2023, 6:41 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

This is a bit off topic, but I've never thought about it before. In the video you can see the Royal family coming down the path to the church. They look a long ways off. How long is that walk?

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Cynthia on December 27, 2023, 10:13 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

It's a couple of hundred yards. There are photos around the internet showing the lay of the land between the Big House and the church.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Hollie24 on December 27, 2023, 12:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Sarah acted entitled and didn't use the few non-alcohol-infused brain cells she had.Getting involved with Steve Wyatt (the photos of naked child Beatrice were with him) and then Johnny Bryant was just idiotic.And then refusing to take responsibility for her own shame and embarassment by blaming the press was evidence of her narcissism and stupidity.

I still think Charles worked out a deal with Andrew that he'd allow Sarah higher visibility with the family (and possible remarriage) if Andrew stopped pressing for a return to Royal duties. Sarah needs a minder when she's in public, too, and some care in private, so I imagine Charles is shelling out for that as well.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Martha on December 28, 2023, 12:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

I read that Charles has agreed that Fergie can have a royal funeral when she passes. Is the thaw due to a bad prognosis?

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Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Susan T on December 28, 2023, 1:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

The Daily Mail reported that it was the late Queen who granted Fergie permission to have her funeral at St George's Chapel, Windsor, and to be buried at Frogmore.

I doubt it will be a "royal" funeral. The media likes to apply that word to anything vaguely connected to somebody who is vaguely connect to a royal. (For example, referred to Edo's son's attendance at the Christmas Carol service as "his first official royal engagement."

I can't find any info of the Chapel's website, but it could be the case that anybody who lives in Windsor and attends services there can have their funeral there. In that case, the big deal is that she will be buried at Frogmore.

Link: Daily Mail

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Martha on December 28, 2023, 2:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

I agree that Fergie won't be giving a truly "royal" funeral, but more likely it will be more grand than the typical congregant. There will probably be a good cousin turnout in support of Beatrice and Eugenie but that's as "royal" as it will get.

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Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Hollie24 on December 28, 2023, 4:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Have any non Royals been buried at Frogmore? I can't think of any.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Hollie24 on December 28, 2023, 4:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Oh, wait, I forgot about the Duchess of Windsor.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Susan T on December 28, 2023, 5:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Several non-HRH's have been buried there.

Link: Royal Burial Ground, Frogmore

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Hollie24 on December 29, 2023, 6:04 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

Thanks!

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video

Posted by Carolyn on December 27, 2023, 8:59 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church - video"

I think Fergie made a huge mistake in having photos of her affair with John B. when her daughters were right there. I wonder if the girls realized what was going on? Otherwise, she was fun to watch. Her outfits were always "interesting".

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church

Posted by stephen on December 25, 2023, 6:57 pm, in reply to "Royals at Sandringham Church"

I Loved everyone getting the flowers and Little Mia and Charlotte !

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church

Posted by stephen on December 25, 2023, 7:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church"

Also the King and Queen looked wonderful!

and the Edinburgh family are just awesome!

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church

Posted by Hollie24 on December 25, 2023, 7:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church"

They were adorable together.

Re: Royals at Sandringham Church

Posted by karenl on December 26, 2023, 12:26 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church"

The crowds of people that showed up for the Royal Family and their applause. So much for the Royals being seriously harmed by "other's bombshells". The people know who to believe.
I was happy to see how warmly Andrew was received, he has always been received well when he's with the family.

Still Photos From Today

Posted by karenl on December 26, 2023, 12:30 am, in reply to "Re: Royals at Sandringham Church"

https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/image?editorialproducts=news&events=776081903&family=editorial&sort=newest

More Photos

Posted by karenl on December 26, 2023, 12:38 am, in reply to "Still Photos From Today"

Not only have Mia and Charlotte taken to each other, Mia seems to have latched on to Louis. It's cute that Louis is holding his father's hand and Mia's hand, too.

https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/royalty/christmas-day-church-service%2C-st.-mary-magdalene-church%2C-sandringham-2023-12-25

Re: More Photos

Posted by stephen on December 26, 2023, 8:08 pm, in reply to "More Photos"

So cute!!

Re: More Photos

Posted by Nellie on December 27, 2023, 5:18 pm, in reply to "Re: More Photos"

More closeness, with Johnny keeping an eye out.

https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/mike-tindall-prince-george-christmas-day-morning-14274302b

Re: More Photos

Posted by Nellie on December 27, 2023, 5:27 pm, in reply to "Re: More Photos"

This might work better. Preview looks ;promising.

Re: More Photos

Posted by stephen on December 27, 2023, 6:03 pm, in reply to "Re: More Photos"

Re: Still Photos From Today

Posted by Hollie24 on December 27, 2023, 12:53 pm, in reply to "Still Photos From Today"

Lena sure was antsy after the service, wasn't she? And it looks like Louise may be having some trouble with her eye again. I hope not! She cuts an elegant figure and in some of the photos she has a resemblance to Princess Alexandra.

It's clear Mia is very close to her Wales cousins. I think she and Charlotte are besties, and look how they both held on to Louis!

Re: Still Photos From Today

Posted by stephen on December 27, 2023, 2:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Still Photos From Today"

Louise is so beautiful!

Re: Still Photos From Today

Posted by Hollie24 on December 27, 2023, 2:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Still Photos From Today"

I've always thought so.

Re: Still Photos From Today

Posted by Sternchen on December 28, 2023, 12:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Still Photos From Today"

It was so nice of Kate an George handing some of the flowers to Mia, she looked so sad when she didn’t receive any from the people waiting for them.

Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Hollie24 on December 27, 2023, 8:39 pm, in reply to "Royals at Sandringham Church"

I didn't notice that Anne, Louise, and Daniel Chatto were wearing the scarves.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12901073/King-Charles-gifts-Royal-Family-members-115-Highgrove-Heritage-Scarf-Princess-Anne-Lady-Louise-Windsor-Samuel-Chatto-wear-Sandringham-church-service.html?fbclid=IwAR2BxD9BqFc71EqGryOorMmYOn_H9lTExuK-pgr8Of0uq9rKM34Er1oYyW8

Re: Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Nellie on December 27, 2023, 8:56 pm, in reply to "Charles gifted his family scarves"

.. and Tim and the Earl of Snowden are wearing theirs.

Re: Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Linda C on December 28, 2023, 10:35 am, in reply to "Re: Charles gifted his family scarves"

The scarves are beautiful. Princess Anne really seemed to work her outfit around the scarf.

Re: Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Carolyn on December 28, 2023, 12:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Charles gifted his family scarves"

I've read that merino wool from Australia is supposed to be the warmest wool there is. Something about the climate and the location of the sheep farms.

As a long-time knitter I love the design, but am going to pass as I don't need another scarf.

Re: Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Hollie24 on December 28, 2023, 2:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Charles gifted his family scarves"

They are beautiful, aren't they? I also like how Anne worked hers into her outfit.

Re: Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Martha on December 28, 2023, 12:39 pm, in reply to "Charles gifted his family scarves"

Almost all of the family wearing their scarves to church. What a nice show of unity. We'll see if one was gifted to Fergie or Those Two.

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Re: Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Susan T on December 28, 2023, 1:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Charles gifted his family scarves"

Maybe the gifts were chosen in anticipation of their attendance, and the gifts included instructions from William as to the proper way to scarf somebody rather than acknowledging their presence.

Re: Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Hollie24 on December 28, 2023, 2:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Charles gifted his family scarves"

Re: Charles gifted his family scarves

Posted by Martha on December 28, 2023, 2:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Charles gifted his family scarves"

Hah! Nobody needed to be scarfed this year and as a whole the group looked more happy and relaxed than in the previous few years.

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