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Opinions on “easy” wins

Posted by Wondering coach on 11/20/2024, 11:12 am

If you got a great kid on your team do you ask them to go out take care of business and get the quick pin or would you rather work towards a tech/pin. If you are a coach of a kid going against a great kid would you rather they get pinned in a quick match or teched. I know we ask kids to get some work in but just wondering what is considered more respectful

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Posted by Re on 11/20/2024, 1:11 pm, in reply to "Opinions on “easy” wins"

Quick pin is always the best answer.

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Posted by Quicky on 11/20/2024, 2:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

Quick pins. It shows lack of character to humiliate some poor kid in front of his family by taking them down, letting the up and doing it all over again.

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Posted by 6 points vs 5 points on 11/20/2024, 2:45 pm, in reply to "Opinions on “easy” wins"

The studs should get plenty of “practice” in their wrestling rooms and club practices. We are trying to build the sport, so humiliating a young green wrestler for “practice” is never the answer. We pin everone we can for the team points not individuals show boating an newby for less points. Also, I don’t understand coaches who want 5 points instead of 6 for a pin, makes no sense at all, just my opinion.

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Posted by Thoughts on 11/20/2024, 8:58 pm, in reply to "Opinions on “easy” wins"

I think it’s rude to play with a less skilled opponent. Don’t humiliate them beat them and don’t drag it out.

e can get you stuck so just take care of business, Practice is for practice!!

Posted by grimace on 11/24/2024, 8:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

Back when I was coaching if one of my kids, either my sons or others, had someone inexperienced I would try to talk to their parents or coaches and see if they wanted them to just have a match for practice or not. Then I would tell my wrestlers what to do. It was all about mattime for the beginners. In high school that is dangerous because one mistake can get you stuck! So practice is for practice.

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Posted by get over it on 11/21/2024, 12:47 am, in reply to "Opinions on “easy” wins"

Kids don't run up the points in a match to humiliate their opponent. They do it for various reasons which are valid and reasonable.
1. No kid wants to go to a tournament all day, and step on the mat for less than 1 minute (the winning and/or losing opponent).
2. The practice room is not the only place to practice and get better.
3.There are going to be times in a wrestlers career where he is going to have opponents he cant pin. Therefore, cutting them, and taking them down, securing near fall if he is able to and running up/increasing the lead will be necessary to obtain a major or tech. Tournaments and duals are perfect opportunities to work on this.
4.If an wrestler pins his opponents within the first period every tournament, when he faces a tougher opponents and has to go the distance, he may struggle in those matches if he hasn't placed him/herself in those positions in the competition environment.
5.It is not disrespectful to beat your opponent by technical superiority. If a wrestler shakes hands, is kind and respectful, showcases his/her skills, and walks off the mat without being loud and inappropriate, then he/she is certainly being respectful.

As a coach or parent, if you cant handle your wrestler being shut out and/or handled with technical superiority, then you have a lot of maturing to do . You can't win every match. Some matches are going to be close Some matches are going to be a blow out. Teach your wrestler to take his losses and get back up. Use the big losses as motivation to get better, watch your tapes, make changes, put in more mat time and aim for getting 1% better every tournament, every practice, and every dual.

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Posted by Re on 11/21/2024, 7:16 am, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

In what world does it make a person a better athlete by humiliating their opponent?

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Posted by lol on 11/21/2024, 8:57 am, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

Read the substance of the response. A parent or coach feeling humilated or triggerd because their wrestelr got the tar beat out of them, does not make it immoral or disrespectful. Feelings should not direct the tactics in a wrestling match. Learning to have a little humility, take your losses with dignity and learn from them is part of the sport and life. Your focus should be on getting better each match, each opportunity and each outing. Mental toughness is also part of the game and is something that is developed and fostered. Wanting your kid to get pinned in 10 seconds does not make him better. Worrying that someone will tech him/her does not make them better.

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Posted by Nope on 11/22/2024, 12:44 am, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

It’s rude and an insult to the sport to play around with a lesser opponent. Just know people are not looking at those kids or coaches with respect. If it clear they are being coached to do that. Working on a few take downs is fine, working on a new move is fine. But making the other kid look like a fool is a bad look for all involved.

10-15"

Posted by lol on 11/22/2024, 2:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

You must not be a college wrestling fan then. Getting bonus points is encouraged. You will see multiple take downs and cutting and attempts at getting tilts and turn to run up the score before a pin can be secured. You must also not be a freestyle fan. Techs are more common in freestyle. If no turn has occurs within 10-15" then the ref brings them back on their feet. Multipel takes downs and turns occur without actually pinning your opponent.

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Posted by Correct on 11/22/2024, 9:46 pm, in reply to "10-15" "

If you want to coach your kid to wrestle like a jerk go for it. Just know 90% of people think it’s obnoxious and they aren’t impressed.

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Posted by Wrong on 11/23/2024, 11:19 am, in reply to "10-15" "

I love freestyle. There is a distinct difference between humiliating a kid you could finish in 20 seconds, and freestyle. Justifying playing with someone is a bad look.

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Posted by apples to oranges on 11/23/2024, 2:02 pm, in reply to "10-15" "

I'm a college wrestling junkie. I watched Arizona State vs Arizona Christian last night, ACU didn't win a match. There was plenty of pins and techs, but when the kids got a chance to pin, they sure did, and they definitely didn't toy with there opponents. Also, there is a difference between a first-year or novice wrestler and college guys, your point is apples to oranges imo. Just for fun, I went through the 4A and 3A state bracket from last year to see how many Pins, techs, and Major Decisions there were. Combined in 4a and 3a, there was only 2 pins and 1 major decision, 0 techs. I din't check 2A or 1A. If I had to bet, I would doubt these 3 beasts/multiple time state champs are out there toying with first year Novice opponents. Have you showboats toy with these guys

4A - Cody Miller, 157lbs, Pin
3A - Ezekiel McEwen, 175lbs, Pin
4A - Jon Schoenlein, 175lbs, Major Decision
4A,3A - No Techs

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Posted by Thanks on 11/23/2024, 10:01 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

You were able to word that much better than me. Lol

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Posted by Exactly on 11/24/2024, 12:39 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

Well that sums it up, couldn’t agree more. ImTo compare college wrestlers and freestyle to a first or second year youth or high school wrestler isn’t even close To the same situation. These coaches or usually daddy coaching this way, letting kids off their backs intentionally, so on and so forth don’t go unnoticed. The kids I see doing this are the same kids who cry “shoulder injury” when there wrestling the real hammers like you mentioned above.

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Posted by Ezekiel Mcewen on 11/26/2024, 9:07 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

Hey it’s zeke here I haven’t nothing against doing that I could have easily taken my guy down let him up get nearfall and tech him. I pinned him cause I didn’t have any matches after that and i like pinning people more. Every match before that I took the guy down and cut him until i felt like i wanted to pin them.

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Posted by dissapointed on 11/27/2024, 10:08 am, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

for someone with humble on the back of their singlet, you are extremely arrogant!

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Posted by zeke on 11/27/2024, 12:40 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

I don’t Think that sounds very arrogant lol but it’s your opinion I was just saying what I could have done it’s not like i went and said. Im the best ever and I can do whatever i want. If i wasn’t capable of teaching my guy in the finals i would admit to that in this case i was capable.

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Posted by Humble? on 11/27/2024, 2:33 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

Does anyone really have "humble" written on the back of their singlet?

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Posted by zeke on 11/27/2024, 4:40 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

I happen to have Humble on my high school singlet 😂😂but i’m in college now not sure why they were bringing that part up.

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Posted by Fruit ninja on 12/1/2024, 2:27 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

Did you actually watch Cody’s finals match last year? He could have pinned the kid in about 30 seconds. But he put on a show. Take downs, turns, then pinned.

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Posted by Yup on 12/1/2024, 5:42 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

Was one of the easiest weigh classes last year.

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Posted by Wow on 12/1/2024, 6:28 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

Ever wonder why there were no "killers" in his weight class? He was the killer and everyone else went up or down. You don't fluke out to an undefeated HS career boy having weak divisions.

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Posted by Yip on 12/1/2024, 8:20 pm, in reply to "Re: 10-15" "

Definitely had a weak weight class. Yes some kids ducked him but they probably weren’t that great. And there are those that were too small to go up and those not allowed to lose weight to go down. I’m not denying he was good…but it was a weak weight class last year. My kid had an easier weight class at tournaments and I’ll admit it. Sometimes that’s how the chips fall.

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Posted by Steve Davis on 11/22/2024, 9:03 am, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

I understand working on a few things but I've seen it twice at our school alone where instead of pinning a kid, they scored several catch and releases then got hurt and was done, happenend in the 1st round of state when our guy was probably going to place...

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Posted by response on 11/21/2024, 9:57 am, in reply to "Opinions on “easy” wins"

I've had wrestlers that were way ahead of anyone in the room. As a team we put a big focus on takedowns, so in those situations we had the wrestler get two or 3 takedowns and then work on top. That being said I don't think it's every right to let an opponent up when they're on their back.

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Posted by Thought on 11/21/2024, 11:23 am, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

I’ve heard programs that reward or acknowledge total points scored. In these programs this does drive the kids to want to be the leader in points. Same as tracking pins and takedowns. If you reward the kids as the best takedown on the team and I am 5 behind the leader I am going to get my 5 in one match. Programs that don’t do this I feel are there for wins and those kids get in and out as soon as possible

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Posted by Moral Coach on 11/25/2024, 7:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

I spoke to a well known wrestling reporter a few years ago. He relayed an interview he had just done with one of our States best wrestlers at the time. The wrestler was asked why he would take kids down, let them up just to take them down again. The kid said that people come to see him, so he wants to give them their moneys worth. The reporter told me he thought the wrestler was an arrogant jerk for that statement. Bad character is noticed by all.

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Posted by Wow on 11/26/2024, 3:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

I've seen a couple top level state champs in Washington choke people out during pins in 15 seconds. Is that better?

What's the happy medium to make you happy?

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Posted by Small districts on 11/26/2024, 3:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

Also, the big weak metro type districts will now unjustly send more to state. Now let’s take 4a GSHL who only has 4 teams. 3 of those 4 teams placed and finished in the top 10 last year. That small district in the past because they are tough could take 3 or 4 to stake out of regionals. Now they will take 2 per weight class. A few of there weight classes wil probably leave out previous state participants and placers. It is just terrible for tough small districts, is what it is, but regionals ensured the best kids made it through.

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Posted by Loll on 11/26/2024, 6:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

Wrong thread!!

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Posted by Wow on 11/26/2024, 9:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Opinions on “easy” wins"

No doubt a double edged sword.

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