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Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Head Scratcher on 11/8/2024, 9:52 am

Evergreen State College wrestling cancelled their home dual with North Idaho College this morning. The dual was supposed to take place tonight at Tahoma HS. Reason for the cancellation? Allegedly their AD can’t find an athletic trainer. Is this further evidence of an incompetent college/athletic program? Or, is Evergreen dodging a pounding from a junior college?

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Amateur Hour on 11/8/2024, 10:12 am, in reply to "Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Sounds like Tahoma did everything they could to make it happen, and Evergreen still backed out last minute and said it was "Canceled". No you backed out.

Sucks to see a four year program in Washington being run this way, even their social media is a joke compared to every other school I've seen.

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Head Scratcher on 11/8/2024, 10:25 am, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a logistics issue to me... sounds like a program who doesn't want to get embarrassed by a JC who's in the hunt for a natty. But I agree it sucks to see. Why doesn't UW join the fray? They're in the Big 10 now...???

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Posted by Watcher on 11/8/2024, 12:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

All three programs involved did everything they could. It came down to evergreens AD pulling the plug saying the event was “poorly planned.”

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Posted by Hmmmmmmm? on 11/8/2024, 3:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

The AD -IS- a part of Evergreens program. So don't say all three programs did everything they could. Wrong. Evergreen's "program" clearly is responsible for this not happening. Also, its a freaking dual, not a tournament. What does "poorly planned" even mean? "We can't figure out how to put a mat on a gym floor?" "How will we ever decide what weight order to go with?" What incompetence! Evergreen can't even use weather or travel as an excuse. NIC was coming to them! "Poorly Planned" is NOTHING MORE than an excuse for not wanting to face the butt whupping that a junior college was about to put on them. And that has Greg's pride written all over it. If I was Booth, I'd never schedule with them again. His boys lost a night of wrestling as a result of Evergreen's DEI approach to life.

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Posted by Wow on 11/8/2024, 3:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

NIC is a good team. The sad part is it makes the Evergreen wrestlers look weak when I'm sure most would have wrestled win or lose.

This is absolutely a coaches decision. Either that or Evergreen shouldn't have a wrestling program. If you want a degree from a college you never received a grade in, go to Evergreen.

If you want to be on a wrestling team but never wrestle, go to Evergreen.

Bad look.

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Huh? on 11/8/2024, 3:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Greg Ford is employed by a 4 year university and this is his statement. I don't care how good of a coach you may be, this 3rd grade level of writing is an embarrassment to your program.

Statement of Apology:
In regards to the disappointing news about the cancellation of the dual, for those that do not know this decision came from above. People like to comment on things they are not aware of, but at the end of the day it’s their opinion. The dual was canceled because of a mis communication in regards to who was bringing their trainer. The host site is usually responsible for providing a trainer. Since we were at a nuetral site. When we are at home our trainers are on site and helping. Since we were at a nuetral site NIC or us did not have trainers. After one call with Coach Chris Feist there were multiple trainers on site in efforts to preserve the match. Our Trainer expressed his concern that there would not be adequate college trainers on site and after notifying our AD the decision came from above to cancel. This was last minute and unfortunate but we have to be circumstance proof and accept the decision that was made and move forward.
I want to thank Washington Wrestling Network for all of the promo and work that they did on their end to promote this event. We are sorry that we were not able to make this event a go but it was not something that I wanted to do. As a state we have to continue to support each other and help push each other to the top in stead of try and drag them down. I am thankful that North Idaho College gave us the opportunity to compete against them at the number 1 NJCAA team. Thank you Derrick Booth for this opportunity and I hope that we can continue to work together and we will get this opportunity again at a later date. I am apologizing on behalf of our team and our school. This is an event I feel was very important for Washington Wrestling.
Coach Ford,

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Posted by Wow on 11/8/2024, 4:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Got to love taking the zero responsibility route.

If he wanted it to happen, it would have happened.

Blaming his trainer and AD is a cop out, but I'd expect nothing less at Evergreen.

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Posted by Statement on 11/8/2024, 4:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

I'm glad Greg put a statement out. It shows how incompetent Evergreen truly is. The trainer I had in HS was college educated and trained. What's the difference between Tahoma's trainers and Evergreens trainers. They're all trained in CPR, AED's, and how to call 911. In most cases, a coach can stuff a nose plug in for blood. So pathetic. But I'm glad Greg made it public how ridicules their decision was. And yes, I have no doubt that Evergreen wrestlers would've jumped at the chance to wrestler as was true for NIC wrestlers.

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Posted by Wow on 11/8/2024, 5:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

This is not a trainer or AD issue. This is an excuse issue and not wanting to get whooped issue. Plain and simple.

get over your dumb self

Posted by COACHAROO on 11/8/2024, 4:08 pm, in reply to "Evergreen State College Wrestling"

be glad we have a program
shut yer yap

they have less experience in this than you
for decades we have beeged for 4 year programs

mind your own business they have learning to do

Re: get over your dumb self

Posted by Wow on 11/8/2024, 4:59 pm, in reply to "get over your dumb self"

Coach Aroo,

While I appreciate your attempt at a Haiku poem, I created a better one in the correct format:

Plans made, mat set up,
Empty gym, no one shows up—
Excuses, silent.

Re: get over your dumb self

Posted by Not the first Canceled Dual on 11/8/2024, 5:13 pm, in reply to "Re: get over your dumb self"

Coach,
you should do your homework on Evergreen. This isn't the first time this bs has happened, they have burned bridges fast with the CCC Conference Coaches as well. Just ask around, not acceptable. This one is just visible because they severely disrespected All the hard work Tahoma coaches and volunteers put in, Washington Wrestling Network, Washington Wrestling community who was going to show up because it was promoted hard, NiC wrestlers who already had their bags packed and ready to rumble. It's really pathetic and not the first time this has happened despite the excuses Evergreen is making. How are we supposed to mind our own business when this has been hyped for some time now and Evergreen coach goes on Washington Wrestling Network for an hour. Give me a break

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Posted by Anonymous on 11/8/2024, 6:47 pm, in reply to "Evergreen State College Wrestling"

The athletic dept has been very unsupportive with starting a program.

Last year they had to roll up there mats 2x a week to share there room with a ballet class. This year they haven’t been able to schedule anything at home. The trainers rescheduled weights cert early very suddenly, they changed the challenge match date because they didn’t feel like coming in on the weekend when it had been scheduled well in advance. They’ve revoked the privilege to travel to tournaments the day of travel at 8am. They won’t let athletes in the wrestling room and have limited the time that they can have there practices.

All this and many more. It has been a non stop battle of the AD and trainers running the program into the ground. Coach Ford has done nothing but try and build a honorable program and gets shut down in every way. Give him a little more time and he will make adjustments to get the changes needed as a team to have success. He give meaning to the word resilience and none of this is truly on him. He’s just as mad at the rest of you.

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Posted by Wow on 11/8/2024, 10:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

This is good to know if true.

I remember thinking, "Evergreen wants a wrestling team???".

Turns out they don't want a wrestling team...at least not a real wrestling team. This should come as no surprise if you have kept on the bizarre behaviors of the students and faculty.

My guess is the team would get a lot more support if it didn't have a bunch of cis-males, or maybe if a bunch of the wrestlers were in thruples.

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Posted by Interesting on 11/8/2024, 10:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

"None of this is truly on him?!" Give me a break!

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Posted by CCC wrestling fan on 11/9/2024, 12:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Yeah evergreen is a place where competitive spirit went to die. No grades, kids make their own classes and curriculum. It’s crazy that of all colleges in Washington, evergreen wants a program. Wrestling doesn’t check any box on what that university is about. Of course a head coach will get some heat when this has been reoccurring problem, it’s delusional to think otherwise. Multiple ccc schools, which is there conference have vowed to never schedule them again. Doing more harm than good to the perception of Washington wrestling. It’s pathetic and embarrassing, more importantly just wrong to do this to all the people, coaches and volunteers who put so much time into this event. At some level it has to be the coach. You don’t cancel multiple duals like this day of. Sounds highly unorganized. I agree it is probably an ad problem as well. Quit whining, making excuses, lying and just show up and wrestle or fold the program at this point. Corbin when they got going didn’t pull this crap. Full cultural incompetence from the top down, you give me a break?!

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Anonymous on 11/9/2024, 1:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

You definitely sound like someone who thinks they know what’s goin on but is completely uninvolved. That coach is making the best of an awful situation. He wants to see nothing but the best for his athletes. Until administration can understand what it means to be a wrestler, let alone an athlete this issue may be reoccurring but one thing is for sure. Coach Ford is not afraid of a challenge and would never willingly back out of a duel. Just look at last season, they got whooped countless times and showed up to try every single time. He was ready to take on NIC guns blazing and didn’t even get a chance to talk to the AD before it was suddenly shut down.

Think before you speak next time. That guy is pouring everything he has into starting something here and he has no funding and support. Maybe if you used your words to encourage change at the school like he is it could make a difference.

I stand by what I said, he’s done nothing wrong and is catching backlash from his bosses actions.

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Posted by CCC Wrestling Fan on 11/9/2024, 1:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Yes correct, I don’t want to be involved in evergreen state college, the culture isn’t for many people. I am educated on wrestling and the CCC Conference and if you were educated on the inside like you are Alluding to you would never say they showed up everywhere last year. That is unequivocally false. Once again I would further educate yourself and see what a few of the ccc college coaches have to say about them backing out of duals last year. At least this wasn’t a conference match. Just because I’m not involved in the evergreen state program doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for coach ford. Clearly the ad is as unethical and disrespectful as anyone in college sports. I will give you that!! But you can only burn so many bridges

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Anonymous on 11/9/2024, 5:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

To my knowledge they never willingly backed out of a single thing. Every issue the team has was all related to the Evergreen Administration. Evergreen was the wrong place to have wrestling but that won’t stop coach Ford from trying.

They had a very hard time scheduling duels because most schools had there schedules planned by the time they were able to start creating theirs. The AD has been known to pull the plug on events on number occasions anytime he questions anything about the event instead of choosing to learn about it.

Maybe ford has made a few mistakes here and there but he’s knew to college rules and the college format. It’s not club wrestling for him anymore but he has taken every opportunity to get better at his job and challenge his team.

You’re pointing fingers at the wrong person.

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Posted by Wow on 11/9/2024, 3:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

That's his point, the Evergreen administration will never learn what wrestling is about. Changing Evergreen's spirit from within is a fool's errand and if this is a common occurrence amongst their programs, they should quit now and set the wrestlers free.

It's not like the wrestlers attending are receiving a quality or valuable education. I know for a fact the moment an employer see's Evergreen on a resume they throw it in the round file cabinet.

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Posted by Buck stops here on 11/9/2024, 2:35 pm, in reply to "Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Greg Ford has a long history of blaming others for his lack of professionalism. Its always someone else’s fault 😭
Anyone wanting to wrestle in college should really look elsewhere.
At this point are we even surprised???

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Wow on 11/9/2024, 3:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Maybe Evergreen thought they were just making a diversity hire and not an actual wrestling coach? No doubt Greg Ford wants his team to wrestle, excuses or not. When the puppet masters above him are telling a wrestling coach he can't wrestle, it must be frustrating...but what do you expect from the wokest college in America?

Look at their history. They had a convicted murderer be their commencement speaker, but since he was incarcerated a student read his speech.

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Head Scratcher on 11/11/2024, 12:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

It’s encouraging to see the debate regarding Evergreen College wrestling has largely changed on this forum… I remember how low-information people along with bleeding-heart liberals defended the school as a great candidate for the re-birth of a Washington four-year program… All while pretending the school’s radical history of extreme left-wing Marxist ideologies didn’t exist. Or pretending the program ever had a chance of success while operating under their Critical Theory ideologies. Now I’m hearing more truth as it pertains to a consensus that the college is straight garbage and has been long before the wrestling program was erected. Which is vindication for those of us who rang the warning bells long before the first whistle was ever blown.

These days, we’re arguing whether Greg is a part of the problem or not. To this, I ask myself what I would do if I were in Greg’s situation (assuming I took the job to begin with, which I never would’ve). Answer: I would simply stand on the principal of “right and wrong” and not allow the AD to pawn my program around at their leisure. Here’s an example (in the NIC case), “WE WRESTLE TONIGHT OR YOU FIND YOURSELF A NEW COACH”. Simply put, Greg IS a part of the problem if he doesn’t stand on principal by giving the AD an ultimatum. And since it’s Evergreen, go ahead and use their own tactics against them by dropping the race card at the AD's doorstep. 😊

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Wow on 11/11/2024, 5:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

It's a simple yet complicated issue. I know a number of the young men on Ford's team, and I openly cheer them onto success. I know a couple of the recent recruits, and would like them to find success as well.

We can even argue that Greg Ford is a quality coach, and brought a ready-made team through his coaching and connections with past high school wrestlers. Some who are new to college, others that now appear to be reclaimation projects. Nevertheless, fine young men who deserve a shot to wrestle again.

Greg Ford is in an absolute no-win situation. He likely overpromised his wrestlers, and got in bed with the wrong college. The irony being the fact the college now finds itself in bed with what they may have seen as a diversity hire, with a diverse group via the wrestling team...when they actually hired a REAL wrestling coach who happens to be a man of color.

If Greg Ford stood up for himself and wrestling, demanding to participate in the dual, he would likely lose his job. This would be possibly letting his wrestlers down, even if it would be the right thing to do on principle for himself and wrestling.

The one thing I would be willing to argue, a degree from Evergreen isn't worth two cents in the real world. The wrestlers he recruited would not be losing out on much, and based on the cancelation by the AD, they're already missing out on actual wrestling.

The reality is they should disband the program and let Ford to have his integrity back. Give the wrestlers who want to remain wrestling a chance to get into actual colleges that support wrestling.

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Posted by Jesse Waters on 11/11/2024, 6:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Why are all you A-holes trying to jump on the coach and all the wokeness at the college? That is my job to be a whiney, little bitch about liberals and things I know nothing about. Back off or face the wrath of Jesse.

Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling

Posted by Wow on 11/11/2024, 6:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Evergreen State College Wrestling"

Come and get it Jesse. There's plenty to go around. When there is a consensus on the board we should all be very worried. I, in fact, semi-defended Coach Ford.

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