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Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Basin Bandit on 3/22/2023, 9:53 am

For the sake of conversation, who had the best glory days? Moses Lake or Toppenish?

I would say Moses Lake produced more high level wrestlers in the day.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Fan on 3/24/2023, 8:12 am, in reply to "Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Moses Lake. They've been ranked in nation, they've placed at these big out of state tournaments.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by M. Rosas on 3/24/2023, 11:59 am, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Moses Lake has had some big names throughout the decades. Much more so than Toppenish.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Fan on 3/26/2023, 5:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Toppenish had really only been these last few years, Moses Lake is dynasty, hard to compare. Teams have flare ups of a lot of success for a few years but it’s rare a team is as consistently relevant as Moses Lake

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Posted by Further East on 3/30/2023, 8:43 am, in reply to "Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Moses Lake and did it in a classification where their enrollment was the only consideration.

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Posted by Brass Balls on 4/8/2023, 4:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

It would definitely be Moses Lake. How can you not feel that is the top programs in Washington State?

My ranking might look at little different because of the recent relevancy of Lake Stevens:

1. Lake Stevens
2. Moses Lake
3. Sedro Woolley

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Spectator on 4/9/2023, 6:34 am, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Recent relevancy? I say Toppenish vs Lake Stevens. Dem Boyz Coaches say they are always chasing competition. We'll it seems Washington may finally have a team to knock them off the top.

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Posted by 4A on 4/9/2023, 6:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

When was the last time Lake Stevens won a state title? I think it has been a while and it will probably be quite a while before they have another. Everyone has their day and then it is on to the next hot team. Right now that hot team is Toppenish.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Difference on 4/10/2023, 9:43 am, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

The difference between these top teams is that they do it year in and year out. They are almost always top ten teams. Look at Moses Lake, Sedro, Lake Stevens, Tahoma they have been in the top for a long time. Its not about a title or two when it comes to strong programs. It is success over time. Toppenish has been good the last couple years, with all of their district office help/turmoil I don't think it will continue past the current coach with 3 kids on the team.

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Posted by Lies on 4/10/2023, 3:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Toppenish has been on top for more than a couple years now. They have more than 3 kids left. They have a solid squad for a few more years. The question becomes will they take the 2A state title in 2 years when they get bumped back up and have to deal with Orting?

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Brass Balls on 4/11/2023, 3:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Recent Relevancy was referring to the last 35 years. Moses Lake was a powerhouse predating that.

Lake Stevens last state title was in 2016ish? Not terribly long ago, but I will give it to you, not recently.

I would echo the fact that I see Tahoma as a powerhouse program even over Toppenish, same with Orting. They have been good for a longer time.

This might be a good question for Steve Davis. What teams have won the most state championships all time? I thought my order had it right. I could be wrong.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Brass Balls on 4/11/2023, 3:24 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

My order is incorrect. ML has more titles (17 or 18) but many of them were won way back, 1960s-80s?

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by coach on 4/11/2023, 4:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Moses Lake has a rich history!

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Steve Davis on 4/13/2023, 9:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Moses Lake has 18 titles the last in 2015
Lake Stevens and Warden both have 11 the last in 2016
No doubt Toppenish has been a top team past 4 years and could compete and win at any level, however in general it’s harder to win consistently at the 4a level like Moses Lake and Lake Stevens have done.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Steve Davis on 4/13/2023, 10:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Sedro Woolley also has 11 but last in 2007. Toppenish has 9 and probably could get a few more, the question is can they hold together through all the turmoil/drama that is coming?

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Posted by Big9 on 4/13/2023, 10:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Steve, It's funny that you say that. I believe that not only will they hold together through the drama, I think it fuels them. Nothing like a chip on your shoulder to motivate you to kick everyone's ass.
They will also endure several more years and likely longer. Anyone in Toppenish knows that wrestling is the Number 1,2,and 3 sport in town and every kid is wrestling. Their middle school has almost 100 boys and 75 girls wrestling consistently every year.

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Posted by Fan on 4/14/2023, 8:47 am, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

I will happily give Moses Lake their credit for being good back in the day. I would be curious to look at teams that have been in the top 10 the past 40 years. Is that available somewhere? That is going to show you dominance. Year in and year out getting it done. Sedro had a run of 5 titles now you cant name a kid that goes there. Moses was great for a long time, made a 1-2 year comeback then fell right off again.

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Posted by Fan on 4/14/2023, 8:51 am, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Top 10 finishes in the last 40 years would definitely show top programs in state.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Steve Davis on 4/14/2023, 1:24 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

I made a list of top 4's not top 10's. Someone else might want to take that on.
Besides 2022, Moses Lake scored at least 1 point in every state tournament, pretty incredible.
Sedro Won 6 in a row.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Observer on 4/26/2023, 10:10 am, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

The youth wrestling for both Topp and ML are going to be good. I’ve been trying to watch when possible and some of those kids are special. Can’t wait to see how they do in HS. Can’t wait to see how they elevate the entire state.

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Posted by Fan on 4/27/2023, 10:16 am, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Toppenish USA is on the Rise! "ZW"

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Fanx2 on 4/27/2023, 3:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Moses Lake/Ascend are also on the Rise! “TT” if you disagree, you will be given a shirt to comply!

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Nope on 4/27/2023, 5:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

here we go, someone needs some attention.
toppenosh has a new program doing great things with some solid people now the old
regime has to start stirring the pot.
moses has a big group of kids doing great things, stay classy topp hi...

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Don't know on 4/27/2023, 9:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

I thought it was the Toppenish Bad Boys. What is Toppenish USA? Is that little town really big enough to support two clubs?

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Posted by Lol on 4/27/2023, 11:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

TT, Free shirts, Toppenish BB cmon guys doesn't it get old? Lol.
This new Toppenish team is probably some parent(s) just trying to take be in the spotlight. Those Toppenish people really like attention. Imagine if they were to work together instead of trying to out do each other. Toppenish parents and coaches are cut throat for sure. Idk if I could ever coach in that Town.

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Posted by Westside on 4/28/2023, 10:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Is this Toppenish USA coach the same Zuniga guy whom got kicked out of Toppenish in the late 90's ? I sure hope it ain't! That guy has a bad rap sheet, but then again, most of Dem Coaches do too.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Idk on 4/29/2023, 5:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

All I know is that Moses Lake/Ascend team will be a dynasty again!

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Ray Charles on 4/29/2023, 7:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

Moses Lake can only ascend from here. You can’t get worse than no one at state.

Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish

Posted by Lmao on 4/29/2023, 11:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Moses Lake vs Toppenish"

As long as Ascend keeps teaming up with other teams they will keep rising, GTFOH!

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