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BAD call!

Posted by 126 4A on 2/17/2023, 10:18 pm

Anyone else think the late takedown in curry / Chichenoff match was the worst of the day?? How the ref gives Curry the takedown with an unsecured merkle attempt was a so wrong.

If you watched the match, you can see that even curry thought he lost when the match ended. He was holding on for his dear life NOT to give up a takedown with little time left; not trying to secure one.

His foot wasn’t hooked and the head wasn’t controlled. Chichenoff was just trying to pull his head back to finalize the takedown and the ref gives curry a takedown followed immediately by a reversal when chichenoffs head popped out right after the takedown was called.

I just hate to see any kid lose his chances at a state title like that.

Re: BAD call!

Posted by Good call on 2/17/2023, 11:34 pm, in reply to "BAD call! "

You need to learn the rule book. By rule that’s a takedown. Leg hooked and the headlock behind the armpit. I’m not a Tahoma fan, but there is a picture of that exact position in the rule book. Easy call and correct call by the official.

Re: BAD call!

Posted by Whoops on 2/17/2023, 11:39 pm, in reply to "Re: BAD call! "

Actually nope I was a bad call. He never got the leg hooked, my bad. Definitely got that one wrong.

Re: BAD coach!

Posted by Rules on 2/18/2023, 4:21 am, in reply to "Re: BAD call! "

His Coaches should have protested a misapplication of the rule. Unfortunately, they didn’t know the process for protesting and allowed their wrestler to leave the mat after getting multiple coaches misconducts. This one is on thier Coach.

Re: BAD coach!

Posted by 126 4A on 2/18/2023, 6:39 am, in reply to "Re: BAD coach! "

“On the coaches?”

I don’t know about that.. nor do I care. The call was simply ridiculous and that’s the reason Curry was able to advance instead of Chichenoff. Close calls happen all the time; this wasn’t one. It was just blatantly wrong. Both kids wrestled a great match; just really too bad that the ref rushed the call and somehow thought Curry had control when he obviously didn’t. Shouldn’t have happened.

It looked as if everyone was confused and didn’t even know who won the match at the end of it so I can see how his coaches and the wrestler were caught off guard on what to do with the situation.

Re: BAD coach!

Posted by Soooo on 2/18/2023, 11:32 am, in reply to "Re: BAD coach! "

Coaches are paid to know these things not look around for answers without asking the question.

Re: BAD call!

Posted by Book on 2/19/2023, 3:43 pm, in reply to "Re: BAD call! "

Does this help?

Re: BAD call!

Posted by 126 4A on 2/19/2023, 10:24 pm, in reply to "Re: BAD call! "

Thanks for the pictures showing what it SHOULD have looked like to be considered a takedown.

Now look at the match. Chichenoff had Curry’s leg trapped OUTSIDE his thigh. Bright green anklet sitting high on his hip right in front of the camera. The leg wasn’t even inside chichenoff’s legs much less hooked over as your picture clearly demonstrates.

It’s just not a call a ref should ever miss! Perhaps missed if leg were trapped inside his legs and not yet hooked (still wrong), but never when the leg is outside the legs. The call put the wrong wrestler in the finals and will hopefully be used as a training example for refs so they are sure of a call before it’s made.

Re: BAD call!

Posted by Book on 2/20/2023, 3:43 pm, in reply to "Re: BAD call! "

I just looked at the video again and you are correct. I was thinking the leg was in between.

Re: BAD call!

Posted by Yep! on 2/20/2023, 4:15 pm, in reply to "Re: BAD call! "

Thanks for taking another look.

The video is so clear that it makes a case for instant replay in certain situations such as post-season elimination matches or championship rounds. I realize one main concern is time, but consider how long it takes to address a protest at times with the final decision staying as originally called due to lack of proof (video). There could easily be rules attached that don’t allow a review to last longer than 2 minutes for one example. If an erroneous call isn’t blatant enough to identify quickly, it’s not enough to overturn anything. They use video in other wrestling formats…

The kids all work too hard to have their goals stripped from them due to a really bad call—especially now that we have the technology to be sure a call is correct.

Re: BAD call!

Posted by Dave G on 2/20/2023, 4:51 pm, in reply to "Re: BAD call! "

I like video replay but it adds a layer of complexity in both time and technology that may not be practical. I will tell you that I am going up this weekend to ref at the British Columbia Provincial Championships and they do use video replay. Last time I was there in 2020 they had a college wrestler sitting in the corner of every match with a tablet video recording. If there was a protest they call the head official over and he watched the tape and made the call. The buck stopped there with him. He ran around a lot that day but it worked but I think they probably only had 12 mats down. I think they may do it the same way at the NCAA championships but I don't know. I know that at the USAW Junior Nationals They had video review available for the finals only but last time I reffed there was 10 years ago so things may have changed.

Re: BAD call!

Posted by Jerry Jorgensen on 2/18/2023, 8:40 am, in reply to "BAD call! "

That was a terrible call! It wasn’t even a double leg takedown! Why did Curry get those points?

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