Just some random thoughts. Some might be dumb, but I am bored. Is it time:
1. True 2nd at the WIAA State Tournament? 2. A Push Out point for Folkstyle? 3. Freestyle/Greco for High Schools as a Spring Season Sport? 4. Putting a limit on tournament size for each team? Like you must do only 2 (16 mans) and 2 (8man) tournament per season. 5. Lowering the 45 minute wait to 30 minutes? 6. Place more oversight on weight certification? 7. Return the 50% weigh in rule?
Re: Is it time???
Posted by 2 Cents on 3/1/2022, 2:00 pm, in reply to "Is it time???"
1. No 2. No 3. Hmm 4. Hell no 5. No, not emphatically but I think it’s fine 6. Hell No 7. No
Re: Is it time???
Posted by 3 cents on 3/1/2022, 2:19 pm, in reply to "Is it time???"
1. no 2. no 3. nah (sounds good, but many wrestlers like to do baseball, track, soccer in the spring.) 4. Why? 5. Makes sense 6. How about just following the rules as already written. 7. Move in that direction at least. Maybe at least 3 before sub regionals.
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Posted by Opinion on 3/1/2022, 2:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Is it time???"
Minimum match count at lowest weight. And get rid of the growth allowance. Very little people use it as growth allowance. More use it as an opportunity to drop to next weight class
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Posted by 2 more cents on 3/1/2022, 5:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Is it time???"
Is there any data on this? Also, great duals are made using strategy and wrestling people up. Sometimes certified weights are not even being really cut for, wrestlers ( particularly good ones) often wrestle up for the team to better give team chance to win/ get other kids in lineup. Not allowing that to happen would be a tremendous unintended circumstance in my opinion.
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Posted by Wrestler on 3/1/2022, 3:05 pm, in reply to "Is it time???"
1. No!!! Matches after finals. No no no. 2.No, its wrestling not sumo. If refs start enforcing the updated/ more aggressive stall rules, you would see a lot more penalties for working the edge. 3. No, its already available through USA. 4. No. But we should actually start wrestling 16-mans in 2 day with 6 matches as the WIAA now allows. 5.ABSOLUTELY YES. Drop it to 35 and you’d solve 99% of the “wait time” issues. Those guys arent getting the full 45 anyway when tournament runs fast, they’re at the mat ready to wrestle, pacing around for 10 minutes waiting for clock to hit 45. 6. The fat pinch is so subjective its not really possible…thats where most of the “issues” come from. 7. Maybe a step in that direction. Maybe growth allowance hits Jan 1 and you need 50% of weigh ins from that point at post season weight.
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Posted by Response on 3/1/2022, 9:53 pm, in reply to "Is it time???"
1. No. I would like the meet to end at some point, noone (including the wrestlers ) is excited about a match after the 🥇 finals. Maybe consider for 8man tourneys, not state. 2. Don't care 3. Worth considering. Many athletes are 2-3 sport athletes, but would consider a different 2nd/3rd sport if it was offered 4. No. But maybe don't schedule 3 meets a week most weeks of the season, there- yes looking at you OP. 5.Yes yes yes. Kids do fine with 15 on USA side, many forgo even that by double bracketing. 6/7. I am not a fan of the current WA state method of weight stuff. IDK what oversight changes are needed(input coach?) But changing the growth allowance pattern- (I believe OR does a pound post holidays and a 2nd pound post season?), nonsensical "lockin" requirement (why is the descent plan essentially halted if the wrestler doesn't continue to lose the unrealistic 1.5% body weight per week? Surely a computer system could easily recalibrate the descent plan at a slower rate), etc are worth considering. I suspect many changes would just see many state matches wrestled up a weight class though
Re: Is it time???
Posted by Wooo on 3/2/2022, 2:35 pm, in reply to "Is it time???"
1. No- I dont like it, having a brutal draw sucks but it is part of what makes sports amazing.
2. Yes, I like this more and more lately, also takes away some of the gamesmanship that takes place on the edge of the mat.
3. I would like it, doubt our state will make it happen.
4. No
5. Yes
6. Absolutely. I think that each individual league should have a designated weight certification person who is not connected to the schools. - I have been in multiple high schools "rooms" during this process and I can tell you it is not done consistently across the board. I think formalizing it more would help to keep everything accurate.
7. I don't like the 50% rule but I was a fan of having a minimum number of outings (I think it use to be 3 or 5) to qualify for the weight. The problem with this is that some decent plans wont let an athlete get down to their post season weights until the week before or the week of in which case there is no time to get matches in.
- Perhaps a nice compromise is to make weight decent plans available to view by all coaches with a log in for the system. A few years ago I could go in and pull up any WIAA school and see the decent plans for any athlete. This year that is not the case. That would make it nice for athletes who are deciding what weight is best for them in postseason. It would not let you know for sure what weight people are at but it at least lets you know the options someone would have.
In general, more transparency on these things are beneficial all the way around IMO. One thing I would be a HUGE fan of is having track (or something else) be used for all events to put the results into and then come postseason those results are used for seeding. I have sat in numerous seeding meetings where coaches present records that don't make sense, and then adjust it when called out on it or they "forgot" a kid missed a dual and it was actually someone else who wrestled that night. It would also help coaches track kids match count easier (when a coach reports a record of 37-12 at a seeding meeting it is hard to believe any data is correct). Again more transparency isn't going to hurt in any way when it comes to things like weight certs, seeding, etc. IMO
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Posted by Ron's Army on 3/2/2022, 4:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Is it time???"
All they have to do is snapchat or instant Message the kid and ask if they want to avoid being in the same weight. Thats what they are doing tghese days. No need for the database.
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Posted by Another on 3/6/2022, 11:25 am, in reply to "Is it time???"
Good thoughts except for the idea to give WIAA oversight of FS/GR. USAW has the best program in our state and giving wrestlers the opportunity to go to different clubs and clinics without the WIAA red tape and politics is a one of the bigger reasons that those styles (and summer wrestling) are growing.