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The curse of non genuine sensors #

Posted by andyhyoung on October 8, 2015, 7:08 pm

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Over the recent few years,I have seen an increase in the use of non o/e sensors and the subsequent failure over a very short space of time,or don't work correctly from new,out the box.Looking at recent posts on this forum,there are techs wasting a hell of a lot of time on faults caused by these critters.Biggest grief seems to be abs/crank cam sensors and coils.A few weeks ago saw a Golf coil explode,well I guess it should last more than a week.As far as I am concerned,all that these sensors do is fit the hole where they are located,and they don't even do that very well,and not much else.So as far as these spurious parts are concerned,I,m out.Genuine or nothing for my customers.

Shite Chinese clones

Posted by tony bickers <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5143' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 8, 2015, 9:06 pm, in reply to "the curse of non genuine sensors."
Anthony Bickers

Andy,

Do you live in outer mongolia ??

This has been discussed at length here and other tech forums, the perpetrator are firms called ECP and German and Swedish, selling white boxed goods as genuine.

Prime example, 2002 BMW X series, ABS and TCS light on on dash, garage this went to fitted a German and Swedish ABS sensor, lasted nearly 20 miles before MIL flagged again, pretty good for that shower of shite company, 10 more miles than I would have given it, Genuine sensor cured fault and not expensive, why oh why as professionals on this forum are you using Chinese copy parts from a supplier that is happy to rip you off with this rubbish??? Await your replies with interest !

Re: Shite Chinese clones

Posted by Jon Morgan <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=ukat3190' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 8, 2015, 9:50 pm, in reply to "Shite Chinese clones"
Jon Morgan

Evening,

I think Andy was making the point that he's still reading posts from techs fitting this shite, digging themselves a hole & then passing it on to the likes of Andy who changes the part for O.E. & gets the final fix. (+ Payment of course)

Even genuine sometimes offers no better, look at the incredibly crap DPF pressure sensor (G450) that VAG still can't make with any kind of quality.

I fit these new & they are occasionally worse than the one I replaced!

Re: Shite Chinese clones

Posted by Matt Seabrook <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=ukat3462' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 12, 2015, 1:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Shite Chinese clones"
Matt Seabrook

Agreed with above. I think sometimes as a profession we don't do ourselves any favours by worrying about price first. We all ring around to get the cheapest prices but at the end of the day we are only shooting ourselves in the foot with customer returns and ultimately costing ourselves more money. I will not fit non genuine sensors or actuators after many years ago fitting a Fuel Parts EGR valve. It didn't last the week and caused me no end of trouble as I couldn't believe that the item I just fettered was at fault so wasted time looking for other faults. Some things are OK pattern but sensors and actuators need to be genuine.

Re: Shite Chinese clones

Posted by andyhyoung <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5148' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 12, 2015, 6:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Shite Chinese clones"
Andrew Young

Thanks for the response.Just as an add-on to this thread,I have been looking through the new 15/16 AC tronics catalogue .They offer a repair to the teves 60 abs unit(listed in BMW) with the usual pressure sensor fault.When you actually work out the costings,a new unit from Bmw works out £30 more,so why would anyone get a unit repaired?No-brainer to me.

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Posted by Glen Strachan <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=ukat1463' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2015, 10:55 am, in reply to "Re: Shite Chinese clones"

I have been receiving white boxed parts from my local Ford dealer.
Fitted an IMV yesterday to a Transit.
Is this something that Ford are doing or are the dealer sending me ECP parts ?

Re: Shite Chinese clones

Posted by Martin Kelly <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT2863' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2015, 2:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Shite Chinese clones"

I fitted a Ford 'white box' coil to a Focus about 6 months ago and it's still fine.
Ford told me that they are doing this as OE equivalent and in the case with the coil it was a Bosch unit in the box.
Last week we needed a cam sensor for a Corsa Z14XE in a hurry, so got one from local factors down the road - Lucas part which only ran for 5 seconds at every start, genuine part next day was fine.

Martin.

Re: Shite Chinese clones

Posted by Tom Williams <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ukautotalk/info/user=UKAT5478' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2015, 3:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Shite Chinese clones"
Thomas Williams

A lot of OEM stuff is made in China,in factories that manufacture to a higher standard than the ones that make cheap,poor quality parts.
We need to get used to the fact that the world order is changing.
When I started my apprenticeship Japanese cars and components had a bad reputation for reliability.

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