It took some work but I think I got through the Tomlin / Big Ben one today so here goes:
Tomlin
overall record 181 - 109
without ben 28 -22
with big ben 153 - 87
0 seasons below .500 with, or without big ben
Tomlin certainly has a lower win pct without big ben, but it is still above .500. Making the playoff this year with the pickett/trubisky/rudolph trifecta was miraculous.
Belichick
overall record 333 - 178
without brady 84 - 103
with brady 249 - 75
0 sub .500 seasons with brady
8 sub .500 seasons without brady
4 sub .500 with clev, 4 with N.E.
A lot of people think the Belichick records without brady are some kind of phony math. It is just what has actually happened. He really has a sub .500 record in about 12 seasons worth of games without brady. 8 of the non brady years he has coached have been sub .500.
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What is Tomlinson record without Big Ben?
What is Pete Carols record without Wilson?
I get the point (sort of), but all great coaches have stretches of great players...Noll without Bradshaw.
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With all the coaching changes and belichick moving on from the pats, a little history got lost in the news.
Bill will probably catch Shula one day on the all time win list, but after week 18 he is already number 1 on the all time losses list with 178.
He has lost more games than some all time greats have won; Bill Parcells 172, Mike Tomlin 173, Pete Carroll 170.
Might as well update his non-brady record, it now stands at 84 wins and 103 losses. While some may consider 187 games a small sample size, almost everybody in the world would not.
The football gods are really going to stick it to me when my chargers sign him this off season.
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