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To teams in Rec E.

Posted by Johnny Edwards <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Johnny+Edwards' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 9:28 am

I have said my peace on our division this year and yes our division( class ) need to step up next year and play E and in my opinion if we are going to have a Rec E then we need to have a rule on HR and stick with it. That class doesn't need HR at all. Class E doesn't either. Go under the national rules and play in the states and the worlds and you don't get any HR and your offensive ejected or ends the inning. But it hasn't been this way all year but once. Yes I know its up to the area director but personally it needs to have no homeruns in any of those 2 classes all year. We hit homeruns during the week but takes a real player with bat control to put the ball in play. I am not new to this and not calling teams or players out but if your hitting out of a park that is 325 on corners and 365 in the middle , then u don't belong in that class. So said and done if you want to school me on why you think we should have HR in a class that people thinks its silly to have then go ahead. We play where our team belongs. Its that simple. Absolute Chaos Coach. Johnny

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Posted by Stretch <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Stretch' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 19, 2014, 8:34 am, in reply to "To teams in Rec E. "

First off, where are you playing that is 325 on the corners and 365 in the middle? Softball fields are usually the same size all the way around, they dont get bigger in the middle like baseball fields.

Secondly, E Rec should not have a State tourney or a World tourney. If you want to compete for something other than a pat on the back and a good time with your friends, then move to a class that isnt RECREATIONAL. Once directors stop giving prizes in the Rec class, the only ones playing will be the ones who are truly out there to have fun with friends.

Thirdly, instead of getting on here to tell everyone else that they need to move up, why don't you just let your nuts hang and move up on your own? I realize you didnt 'call anyone out' but coming on here and posting a message to the entire division telling them that they need to move up next year is essentially calling out the entire division.

Lastly, the HR rules in USSSA are an absolute joke, but with that being said, the bigger joke is the typical tourneys week in and week out that allow HR's in D/E/Rec. Why are they being allowed for some local tournament in Raleigh or Burlington, but when you actually go and play a tournament that matters, you no longer get the HR's? Pretty foolish for teams to get used to having HR's to hit and then having to play a completely different game in meaningful tournaments as well as foolish for the directors who want their teams to compete on the national level.

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Posted by Johnny Edwards <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Johnny+Edwards' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 19, 2014, 10:11 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Hey stretch u want to talk about calling someone out. I was posting go by the rules . Not changing them everytime we play. I have gone up twice this year and played a class above us. So u play where your team competes at. And when u have people that had to start from the bottom cause we had a building process year then yea Rec E is where u start when the guys you have never played tournament ball before and not a lot of softball. So no I didn't call anybody out I don't believe in giving teams HR on an area tournament and then have to change for states. They don't have WORLDS for rec E and shouldn't. They shouldn't let everyone in the WORLDS just cause they pay an entry fee but I am no director. U damn right I called out the whole class. U can grab your balls to buddy cause I have and have gone up several times thru out the years but when u go up and get slaughtered to death then you know where your team belongs. But I said my peace and so did you. Go play in KENLY. You will see the ballfields. No regular 300 feet

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Posted by Stretch <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Stretch' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2014, 8:48 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

I have no clue where Kenly is and will do myself a favor and never go there to play ball, but thanks for clearing up that question.

I agree with you 100% regarding the HR rules locally, they are a joke and dont do teams any favors getting better or getting ready for the tournaments that actually matter at the end of the year.

REC shouldnt have a worlds, or a nationals or a states for that matter. If teams want to play REC, then great, play REC but like I said before they shouldnt play for prize packages. Until you eliminate prize packages in a division that was created for teams that cant compete in competitive divisions, you will continue to get teams dropping down in order to increase their odds of winning t shirts.

Thank you for reminding my about my monthly exam though, I just grabbed my balls and felt no lumps. I think Im good to go.

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Posted by Cmoneycjp <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Cmoneycjp' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 6:41 pm, in reply to "To teams in Rec E. "

Is them bootlegger guys that's good I heard they number one team in rec and they got protested three time this weekend!!!

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No its not bootleggers by them selves. But when people are not on the roster and on the lineup. A smart coach will do what he has to to advance. Yes its dirty to protest to get to next game but we all pay the same entry fee to play 5-6 games to get to championship. But you know it was a good tournament and everyone gets protested once in a while.

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Posted by JoeyBats <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=JoeyBats' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 10:21 am, in reply to "To teams in Rec E. "

Johnny.

I completely agree but what about the guys that can hit the ball out on demand but don't have any other teams to play for?

Yes they "Should" be playing for a team in a higher league but for someone like myself, I don't know anyone on any team that plays B/C/D

What would you recommend doing for someone in that situation?

Thanks,
Joey

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Posted by Player-Fan <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Player-Fan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 1:35 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

I suggest you continue playing with your friends and have fun. One player does not make a team and if the others keep playing, one day they will be good too. Nobody is paid for this so why not just have fun? It's not a job, it's recreation.

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Posted by jim_rookie <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=jim_rookie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 19, 2014, 10:42 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

if you have bat control you shouldn't be playing rec e in the first place. Rec e should have homeruns cause that should be where a lot of players just go free swinging and hit them out by mistake, anyone can hit a homerun no matter if they can do it on purpose or not, that doesn't mean you should go play in a upper level cause you still have to go play the glove, and a lot of the big guys that can hit a lot of them d-h in upper ball cause their glove isn't as good as their stick,and a lot of times people get hurt when you have no homeruns. so the higher you play should have the least homeruns cause they have the most bat control. And everyone wants to talk about a team that is good playing rec e. every team can do like bootleggers and whoever wins a tourney and hits all of these bombs in rec, e, or d and go out and get those players like they got and quit complaining. someone has got to win and someone has got to get beat.thats just my 2 cents.

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Posted by Big R63 <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Big+R63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 10:55 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

I mention this on here before,maybe not the same way this is written,but the same opinion,i got blasted 4 it,but I still agree.All classes would make and be fair,play by national rules and teams who be basically even,and know what they have to do to win the worlds.

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Posted by scottie <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=scottie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 4:13 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

The game was meant to be played with homeruns so I've always believed lowest div gets at least 1, and progressively more for higher classes. But I'm outnumbered in that opinion. It would be really really simple to fix the class issues. All you have to do is say
Rec....is now E
E........is now D
D........is now C
C........is still B/C

All that's happened is teams have slid back a div (on purpose or by necessity), so E which USED to be the bottom got pushed down into Rec.

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Posted by Softball8 <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Softball8' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 10:01 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Scottie you have the correct answer. Nobody wants to play C bc the tournaments never make that would fix that problem too. Rec E is killing softball. Rec ball is played during the week. Weekend ball on the weekends starts with class E.

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Posted by scottie <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=scottie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 19, 2014, 6:55 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Glad I could help

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Posted by Johnny Edwards <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Johnny+Edwards' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 2:12 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

And yes you are right this time. Blasting people on the message board because they play on a rec E team doesn't make any of us better than the other. Me personally am not the best player out there but I can coach a team and make them better by people being team players. Now for Joey- if you cant keep it in the ballpark at all. Well swing a single wall- LOL. I just kidding. Its a mind game and that's what it is when u hit. If your mind is set that you cant keep the ball in the park then you never will. Its time to change your swing. I have had people tell me that they only pull the ball. This is from class C to E. I take them for 30 minutes or less and they are hitting to right field. We might not be the best players but your coach and teammates can see what you do at bat better than you can. Take advice and all of us need to get these RULES straight and lets play by the national rules. More teams would go up. But I am the coach and sponsor for my team. Its a hobby for me and playing against ones that have had same guys in D and E for 5 years is stupid. Grab a pair and move up. We are and will.

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Posted by bcudd23 <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=bcudd23' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 4:16 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

yes play with your friends and have fun. way to many people worry bout worlds and nationals. About 15 percent of the teams that go the Florida actually have a chance to win in Florida. entirely to many teams go to the so called worlds anyway in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with making local rules as you see fit in local tournaments.

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Posted by DT HOLT <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=DT+HOLT' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 18, 2014, 7:58 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

NSA used to have a progressive h.r. rule for E. Hit one and give one, hit two , give two ,.... It didn't take too long to learn.

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Posted by DT HOLT <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=DT+HOLT' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 19, 2014, 6:25 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Joey, I was trying to say if you hit 1 h.r. you give the other team 1 run. If you hit 2 then they get 2 runs ,..... We won a game in Greensboro several years ago because the other team hit 4 h.r's .They gave us 10 runs off their h.r.'s. It's better than an ejection .

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Posted by JoeyBats <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=JoeyBats' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 19, 2014, 8:26 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Rec - 1 + 1
E - 2 + 1
D- 4+1
B/C- 6+1

that would make the most sense. the offensive ejection is ridiculous. Were all men here...the number of guys even at the E rec division that cannot hit a HR is very low.

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if you have such good bat control you shouldn't be playing rec e in the first place. Anyone can hit a homerun, it's slowpitch softball!!! no matter how good you are a homerun is not a hard task, the higher division you play the less homeruns you should have, upper ball should have the inning ending and offensive ejections. they can hit the ball anywhere they want to. lower divisions should not get penalized for hitting a homerun when the skill level is supposed to be not that great. and all the people that complain about certain teams having strong players and long hitters backside or where ever, quit complaining and go out and recruit like they do. you have the same opportunity that they do to get those players, and why does a rec e team have a sponsor?????? if you have a sponsor you should have you team playing upper ball. sponsored teams shouldn't be playing rec e. period!!!!!

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Posted by scottie <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=scottie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2014, 10:17 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Ummm even piddly little league teams get sponsors sometimes. Anyone can get a sponsor, just like anyone can get together and get nice uniforms. I like the idea of the upper teams who are SUPPOSED to have all the bat control not getting homeruns. Apparently Rec players have better bat control because they have to keep it in the park or get ejected. This is all stuff that has been argued about before......and we'll argue about next week

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So based on your logic its harder NOT to hit a homerun in softball than it is...right?

Your argument is comical at best and makes no sense. Would be a lot of fun to see guys that get paid to play ball, who have their own bats and who travel the country putting on HR exhibitions playing each other and NOT being allowed to hit homeruns. Wegman, Connell and those boys would sell a shit ton more bats if all they did was poke it down the RF line or hit ground balls through the 5-6 hole, no doubt about it.

You do realize how foolish that sounds, right?

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Posted by usssaplaya <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=usssaplaya' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2014, 5:57 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

I don't play rec but stating a sponsored team should have to play upper ball is ridiculous. Anybody with a business can play with their buddies and sponsor the team to get the advertising. Doesn't mean the team will be very good because they have money. It just means one of their teammates wants to help out or has a hookup with a local business. Also saying rec teams shouldn't have full uniforms is stupid because anybody can fork over $100 or so to go in on a team uniform package. Again it doesn't mean the team will be any good because they look better than a scrub team.

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Posted by Johnny Edwards <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Johnny+Edwards' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2014, 11:47 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Let me just say what the crap does uniforms have to do with RULES of HR. And no not everyone can hit a homerun. The whole point is stick to the national rules no matter if you go to states or worlds or not. That is the whole damg subject has been about most of year. NO NO NO not every team needs to go to worlds. They need to earn their way. Paying 375 dollars is not earning your way. If you haven't been playing tournament ball for over 15 years then you have no clue the way it used to be. So this whole conversation was over rules and where everyone should play. Its been the topic all year. So wish everyone the best the rest of the year and its not teams in wrong classes its people in the wrong classes. Its like bar hoppers. They are called team hoppers and classes. But who cares about anyones 2 cents cause its not going to change. So why do we even talk about it. LMAO- Coach mango Absolute Chaos

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Posted by combatdoc8404 <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=combatdoc8404' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2014, 11:43 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

i love these threads they make me laugh. Start rant. IF you dont like rec play some where else. My opinion stay in your own division and let other team play in theres. From what i have seen there have been team that have played up and down for what ever reason. If that is a problem then become a director and change it. End rant.

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Posted by CMooreB3 <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=CMooreB3' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 23, 2014, 8:40 pm, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Get all the C and D teams out of E and you won't need the E Rec division.

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Posted by Diezel <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=Diezel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 23, 2014, 11:03 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Man they make another class called Rec E and the drama storm hasn't stopped yet. When I first started playing Utrip there was no Rec E. E was the lowest you could play and everything was double eli. Now they have all these 6 game and extra classes yet the complaining only gets worse. There was a good point made about Rec E. Stop giving a prize package. Or my personal idea on it is do away with Rec E. There is no need for it. Its a damn shame when we cant get enough teams for a C tourney to make.

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Posted by ryanc350 <iframe src='https://members4.boardhost.com/ncusssamen/info/user=ryanc350' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 25, 2014, 6:41 am, in reply to "Re: To teams in Rec E. "

Its all Al Gore's fault, he invented the internet!!

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