Why are we trying to prove contact with the perimeter, when they haven't proven they controlled or contained the defoliants to the perimeter areas? One-trillionth of a gram is all that was needed to contaminate you in Takhli? Chemicals stayed deadly 10-12 years AFTER being sprayed all around the base. The drift zone was 500 meters (1,640 feet) on both sides of the perimeter. That's nearly 4,000 feet in total of a continuous deadly circle with no barriers, no decontamination of perimeter personnel, no ground cover, and no attempt to keep a still deadly substance away from you no matter where on the base you lived or worked. There was zero chance you were there without being exposed. We shouldn't be trying to prove we were actually ON THE PERIMETER- they should be proving they kept the deadly contaminants safely away from us. The criteria they use to say we were safe is the criteria used for a solid contaminate that has little or no chance of moving. Agent Orange dried after being sprayed and moved with the wind, rain, animals, people, vehicles, and all other items and life forms that touched the perimeter on the way to wherever you lived or worked. How many on here lost a part of their sense of smell in Takhli? You breathed it in daily and it adversely affected your olfactory bulb, lungs, and any other area of your body. The miserable suggest list of ailments covered by the VA is a joke. The dioxin had no guidelines or limits. The VA budget has limits- but not the dioxin in agent orange and the other defoliants used. Tell them to prove to you beyond a doubt it was contained. They can't. containment was an impossibility.
Re: Forget the perimeter
Posted by Gerald Warren on 9/28/2019, 11:01:20, in reply to "Forget the perimeter"
I think all of us would agree with what you have posted but that isn't how they work. The VA has guidelines that say you worked etc on the perimeter or was exposed "at the perimeter".
I have been denied a couple of times using the information you are suggesting and even tried to prove I drove across the perimeter doing my job. My last denial letter which had a buddy statement saying that was part of the job was denied because he didn't say he saw or watched me drive across the perimeter.
In that appeal I had everything you are saying plus reference to the Air Force Historical Research Agency and they stated the stuff was sprayed for several months I was there in 1969.
I am waiting for a board hearing now and hope to get it eventually.
I am not giving up though.
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Why are we trying to prove contact with the perimeter, when they haven't proven they controlled or contained the defoliants to the perimeter areas? One-trillionth of a gram is all that was needed to contaminate you in Takhli? Chemicals stayed deadly 10-12 years AFTER being sprayed all around the base. The drift zone was 500 meters (1,640 feet) on both sides of the perimeter. That's nearly 4,000 feet in total of a continuous deadly circle with no barriers, no decontamination of perimeter personnel, no ground cover, and no attempt to keep a still deadly substance away from you no matter where on the base you lived or worked. There was zero chance you were there without being exposed. We shouldn't be trying to prove we were actually ON THE PERIMETER- they should be proving they kept the deadly contaminants safely away from us. The criteria they use to say we were safe is the criteria used for a solid contaminate that has little or no chance of moving. Agent Orange dried after being sprayed and moved with the wind, rain, animals, people, vehicles, and all other items and life forms that touched the perimeter on the way to wherever you lived or worked. How many on here lost a part of their sense of smell in Takhli? You breathed it in daily and it adversely affected your olfactory bulb, lungs, and any other area of your body. The miserable suggest list of ailments covered by the VA is a joke. The dioxin had no guidelines or limits. The VA budget has limits- but not the dioxin in agent orange and the other defoliants used. Tell them to prove to you beyond a doubt it was contained. They can't. containment was an impossibility.
Re: Forget the perimeter
Posted by Donald T Burton on 9/30/2019, 12:09:32, in reply to "Forget the perimeter"
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Why are we trying to prove contact with the perimeter, when they haven't proven they controlled or contained the defoliants to the perimeter areas? One-trillionth of a gram is all that was needed to contaminate you in Takhli? Chemicals stayed deadly 10-12 years AFTER being sprayed all around the base. The drift zone was 500 meters (1,640 feet) on both sides of the perimeter. That's nearly 4,000 feet in total of a continuous deadly circle with no barriers, no decontamination of perimeter personnel, no ground cover, and no attempt to keep a still deadly substance away from you no matter where on the base you lived or worked. There was zero chance you were there without being exposed. We shouldn't be trying to prove we were actually ON THE PERIMETER- they should be proving they kept the deadly contaminants safely away from us. The criteria they use to say we were safe is the criteria used for a solid contaminate that has little or no chance of moving. Agent Orange dried after being sprayed and moved with the wind, rain, animals, people, vehicles, and all other items and life forms that touched the perimeter on the way to wherever you lived or worked. How many on here lost a part of their sense of smell in Takhli? You breathed it in daily and it adversely affected your olfactory bulb, lungs, and any other area of your body. The miserable suggest list of ailments covered by the VA is a joke. The dioxin had no guidelines or limits. The VA budget has limits- but not the dioxin in agent orange and the other defoliants used. Tell them to prove to you beyond a doubt it was contained. They can't. containment was an impossibility.
Does anyone know if there have been any class actions suits filed against the Government over this issue? If so, what was the out come?
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Why are we trying to prove contact with the perimeter, when they haven't proven they controlled or contained the defoliants to the perimeter areas? One-trillionth of a gram is all that was needed to contaminate you in Takhli? Chemicals stayed deadly 10-12 years AFTER being sprayed all around the base. The drift zone was 500 meters (1,640 feet) on both sides of the perimeter. That's nearly 4,000 feet in total of a continuous deadly circle with no barriers, no decontamination of perimeter personnel, no ground cover, and no attempt to keep a still deadly substance away from you no matter where on the base you lived or worked. There was zero chance you were there without being exposed. We shouldn't be trying to prove we were actually ON THE PERIMETER- they should be proving they kept the deadly contaminants safely away from us. The criteria they use to say we were safe is the criteria used for a solid contaminate that has little or no chance of moving. Agent Orange dried after being sprayed and moved with the wind, rain, animals, people, vehicles, and all other items and life forms that touched the perimeter on the way to wherever you lived or worked. How many on here lost a part of their sense of smell in Takhli? You breathed it in daily and it adversely affected your olfactory bulb, lungs, and any other area of your body. The miserable suggest list of ailments covered by the VA is a joke. The dioxin had no guidelines or limits. The VA budget has limits- but not the dioxin in agent orange and the other defoliants used. Tell them to prove to you beyond a doubt it was contained. They can't. containment was an impossibility.
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