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Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Karen on March 10, 2023, 5:01 am

Also happy birthday to His Royal Highness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64913224

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Cynthia on March 10, 2023, 5:29 am, in reply to "Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

I'm surprised --after all the gossipy speculation, a *life* dukedom.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Nellie on March 10, 2023, 6:25 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

It is good news.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Nellie on March 10, 2023, 6:38 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

The Duchess of Edinburgh - that was quick

https://www.royal.uk/duchess-edinburgh

Re: Succession

Posted by Nellie on March 10, 2023, 6:55 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

Swift updating

https://www.royal.uk/succession

Re: Succession

Posted by Susan T on March 10, 2023, 7:08 am, in reply to "Re: Succession"

True, but it may explain why the other title information dropped when it did. Charles's descendants had to be upgraded first.

And by giving Edward the dukedom now, rather than waiting for his 60th birthday, as the media had led to believe, it takes the attention away from those other titles and gives the media something to write about instead of churning out criticism for pandering to his younger son's demands.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Hollie24 on March 10, 2023, 10:33 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

It's not good news. It's backhanded. Edward gets to be D of E, but not his descendents. That is *not* what the late Queen and Prince Philip intended. I hope like Hell William recreates the Dukedom to include James and also Louise and her descendents. It's been done before.

Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Carolyn on March 10, 2023, 12:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

I am so happy to hear this. I didn't think it would happen. I think he will do a great job carrying on the work that Prince Philip did.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Susan T on March 10, 2023, 7:03 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

Nasty. Following the letter of what he promised, but not the spirit. It would never have occurred to either Philip or the Queen to stipulate a hereditary dukedom.

There, I kept my promise. I've made you a duke, but I never promised anything about any sons you might have. Unlike my sons, your son doesn't deserve to be a duke.

Nasty, petty, and shabby. And yet another example of how he carefully parses his words and never clarifies them when people assume they mean "X', when he's always intended them to mean 'Y'.

Link: Daily Mail

Rebecca English is a moron

Posted by Susan T on March 10, 2023, 7:35 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

When he and Sophie married in 1999 it was announced that the dukedom would pass to Edward after Philip's death.

No, it wasn't, Rebecca. It was a hereditary peerage, with the same remainder as previous dukedoms given to members of the royal families. Unless Parliament steeped in and amended the remainder, upon Philip's death, it would be inherited by Charles.

Charles, William, George, Louis, Harry, Archie and Andrew would all need to die before Philip in order for Edward to inherit the title.

And another thought, Rebecca. If Edward had inherited the title, it still would be a hereditary peerage not a life peerage.

So when Philip died in April 2021, Buckingham Palace announced that the title had reverted to the monarch – and that continued to be the case when Queen Elizabeth died last September.

No, that was never announced. When you and your ilk asked why Edward wasn't using the title, the Palace explained to you that Charles had inherited it, but didn't use it because the Prince of Wales title was the higher title, and that the Edinburgh dukedom couldn't be regranted until the holder of the dukedom and the monarch were one and the same person).

Sources stressed that the timing of the announcement had nothing to do with developments this week regarding the titles of Harry and Meghan's children, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, as such announcements are normally made on a member of the Royal Family's birthday.

Yeah, and Charles had no intentions of marrying Camilla. Pull the other one, it's got bells on it. And who knew that William, Harry, Andrew, etc received their dukedoms on their birthdays? Or maybe, like the monarch, they too have two birthdays?

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Nellie on March 10, 2023, 7:58 am, in reply to "Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

After more thought I have decided this lifetime creation is an excellent idea - and for future monarchs to adopt.

Please read my posting on the British board here.
https://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1678452524.html

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Susan T on March 10, 2023, 8:15 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

I think going forward Life Peerages for members of the royal family is a good thing, however, an exception should have been made for Edward.

If he would have accepted a dukedom at the time of his marriage, rather than honor his father and agree to wait until the Edinburgh dukedom was available to be regranted, that dukedom would have been hereditary.

I've already posted elsewhere on the board exactly what I think about how Charles has handled this.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Karen on March 10, 2023, 8:25 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

In my opinion the Life Peerage is the correct choice. It's possible that Edward will live as lnong as his parents and therefore for the next 30 odd years, and possibly longer. James will continue as Earl of Wessx. The Edinburgh title may pass to Prince Louis in the future. The King I feel thought of all possiblities.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Susan T on March 10, 2023, 8:45 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

It's a pity, IMO, that the Queen didn't think of all the possibilities and spell it out in exact detail what she wanted Charles to promise and deliver.

And how odd that Charles didn't think of these possibilities when his mother granted his second son a dukedom less than five years ago.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Nellie on March 10, 2023, 9:07 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

I cannot know what the late Queen and Duke might have mulled over with Charles in their final years. But I can see them both supporting his move.

But imagine the screams of "racism" if Harry had got a Dukedom for lifetime only.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Susan T on March 10, 2023, 9:23 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

So Edward receives less than Harry because Sophie is white?

Nice. Nothing racist about that decision.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Karen on March 10, 2023, 10:38 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

No, he received the lifetime dukedome because it is the best decision. James will be Earl of Wessex when his father dies and most likely way down the line of succession, so the continuation of dukedome which is closely linked with royality is seen as not required. It will most likely be held by William for his son Louis.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Hollie24 on March 10, 2023, 10:58 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

So wait, it's okay for the Sussex title to eventually go out of the RF but not the Edinburgh title? That doesn't make any sense either. Nor do I believe for one moment that Philip and the late Queen intended the Edinburgh title to be limited to a lifetime peerage for Edward. I believe they intended it to be for Edward's line to hold and understood it would eventually, like the Gloucester and Kent Dukedoms, eventually cease to be a Royal title.

As I wrote above, I hope William recreates the title as a hereditary peerage and includes Louise and her descendents in the remainder.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Susan T on March 10, 2023, 11:08 am, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

The only think I have to say about the Sussex dukedom is that the current holder has disgraced it so much that nobody else other than his descendants would want to use it.

Should it revert to the Crown, it will be regarded with the same disdain as the Windsor dukedom.

The monarch has the power to create new dukedoms. He or she isn't limited to those that have already been used by other royals. Something else could have been found for Louis when the time comes.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Cynthia on March 10, 2023, 1:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

Louis is very likely to be the next duke of York, so I don't think they'll cast around for new titles.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by Susan T on March 10, 2023, 1:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

The York dukedom has also been disgraced which is probably why getting the Edinburgh dukedom back after Edward's death is so important to Charles, not that he's likely to outlive his brother.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by JohnW on March 10, 2023, 9:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

On this, Hollie24, we are as one.

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by stephen on March 10, 2023, 1:57 pm, in reply to "Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

I Called it! lol

seriously Congratulations!

Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh

Posted by karenl on March 10, 2023, 7:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh"

Very happy and it's about time. I admit I had I doubts.

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