Long Beach State Athletics!: part two, Beach tiering

here's the HUGE problem with Beach tiering sports

1) Beach is hugely successful across the board, with great sports. see so many Commie Cups

2) I mean think of it.

Golf is most successful last two years, even with coach or players leaving. it's not a revenue sport. But cut or tier it. I'm sure there is a significant base of support, has to be to accomplish what they have.

so if it gets tiered / cut. those supporters don't just move their $$ to what other (like me!) want lol

2) Water Polo. we've got an Olympic coach, perenially top 10, just outside the UCLA/USC/Stan?Cal juggernaut. The Big West just started sponsoring WP for both Men and Women. It's one of those sports that makes sense. again, those that support won't cross over for the general good

3) T&F. man, over a decade, they are huge. another Olympic Coach (see the USA Track results!?!). Van Slythe has been the guy. The BEST facility among all Beach facilities. granted a high cost with little attendance. Cross country gets thrown in for almost free. I think Cross country would be #1 to tier/cut, but then that hurts T&F with the distance sports

4) Tennis. another non-attendance. Has had individual support. Has slipped in last decade competing with money at UCSB & Poly, still uppper tier. Jenny certainly may retire in 5-10 years? Still a huge component to the Commie Cup. HOF coach

5) Beach VB. cross over with WVB. non exissitent on campus facility, good coach with RESULTS. BG was a pioneer for the collegiate sport.

the above is the cruz of the difficulty. decision to tier or cut is an AD's nightmare. you'll atrophy athletics support.

and then there's debating the 'mix' of attendance sports.

there just is not a good answer. how in hades to cherry pick, because you'll piss off....a lot.

for me, I'm partial to VB and MBB, and then I like Tennis, but who cares what I like. there are devotees of all the others that give a heck of a lot of money.

Don't even want to rank. MBB is so difficult, and without MBB or sub-par MBB - it's a huge base.

WVB? competing getting tougher.

so what to do? how does an AD project about decisions.

I can't even imagine what a school like UCR projects, their attendance across the board is 1/4 of Beach's

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the answer is...it depends! lol

this line I put below from the Big West is getting a lot of media, on top of everything else P4/NIL.

“Athletic departments plan to "tier" sports by de-investing in many of them to invest more resources in a small group of sports that (1) generate revenue, (2) attract fans and (3) are capable of competing for championships.” Ross Dellenger, Yahoo Sports (LINK)

just makes it all murkier, like would Ohio State REALLY just make MVB a club sport?! that seems ridiculous on first glance.

I mean isn't Ohio State loaded with money? If Ohio State tiers sports, then NOTHING is clear aside from the P4 pigs football and basketball, and I'd say womens basketball and volleyball.

Nothing.

so....

first of all on P4. I do not think P4 dust will settle in 2, 5, 10 years. EVERY time these P4 pigs get more money, they need....MORE money lol. they can't hold any budget, and 10 or so have ever made money, and yet they are all headed down what is a professional sports model. WHich is fundamentally flawed.

so I do not believe P4 four conference will last. Cmon! Indiana and Purdue might be fine research universities. but there's no chance they are professional brands that could survive (ala Green Bay Packers which makes no sense, but Green Bay is so unique).

nobody knows what that tiering means, conferences tiering? within the Big 10, can you imagine UCLA being told to chuck it's MVB or gymnastics, or water polo. UCLA itself has huge money issues.

as to Long Beach tiering....go to part 2