Long Beach State Athletics!: caution

As anyone who has followed MBB understands, the transition from JUCO to D1 ball (even to the lowly Big West) is huge. Expecting immediate dominance is dangerous and most likely to end up disappointment. JUCO players that dominate typically do so in year 2 of D1 ball.

That being said if any JUCO transfers can play 20+ mins per game and provide 8ppg and 4rpg and shoot 44%+ / 36%+ from 3 we should all be ecstatic.

The good news is that the BW is weak and can be dominated by a 4 G line- up playing an uptempo game. Of course CDM is still the coach so that has to be factored into the equation (aka reducing expectations)

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Nice analysis. But as a couple adds.

Tsohonis can shoot and score. He can absolutely do that at the D1 level (he averaged 10.3 ppg in 20 minutes as a sophomore at Washington). But, from multiple reports I read on him, his defense is questionable. For me, the question on him is therefore defense.

I am hopeful on the bigs, but I am skeptical too. Few BW bigs come in ready to contribute form JC or HS. While Roberts was athletically a SF, he became a post player here. But, it was his 5th year of D1 ball last season and he had become very adept at post defense. Mansel was very questionable offensively, but he became pretty good at interior passing and defense last season. I just wonder what the odds are that a kid can come in from JC or HS and replicate that. I have the most hope for L Traore, as he has a year of D1 ball under his belt.

I fully agree (assuming Murray returns) that the core is exciting. I expect A. Traore to be much better given the year of experience in the post. Murray had some growing pains early as some of the stuff that made him an All American in D2 didn't work. Once defenders learned they had to key on him, stuff came harder. But, he adapted as the year went on and I thought he was better than Slater last year.

Jones' first year was really good and last year, he emerged as a star. Expect him to play a larger role on offense this season, and the DPOY award is a testament to what he already can do on D.

Despite the core, some of the new guys better be ready to play, because with only 4 returnees, they cannot do everything.

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probably the most exciting off-season for MBB in a long time! still not over yet, the last remaining question if confirming that Murray will return for his senior elgibility and not go off and design bridges & roads for a living. Signs (?) point to returning. If he doesn't, all bets on what follows are off!

why exciting?

#1) among the best returning core since the fab four returning for their junior and senior years, and then Caffey/Papps/DJ/Ennis for Ennis last year

the Murray-Jones-Traore core (and add in Rotegaard as a nice versatile role player) is basically 3 first team Big West talents coming back, and they could all be 1st team Big West next year. Jones - DPOY, Traore could have been co-DPOY and newcomer. Murray was clutch so many games and frankly was co-MVP of the team with Slater.

#2) a good mix of recruits. There were two gaps, post & ball-handling wing players, more so in the post, like always not all will acclimate to D1. the quad of post players does appear to have a lot of upside, and some athleticsm.

Tone Hunter & Thohonis much needed to fill the gap left by Slater & Cobb in particular. the two obvious questions are Thohonis is now in his 3rd college so it's a valid question to think how well he'll adapt and fit in after bouncing around - history isn't too kind, just reality, and he's coming into a role as a role player until he proves he can handle some point/ball-handling duties, play defense first (never a given, see Kaela King), and be glue first, and score 2nd. We know he can hit a 3 and he'll get the chance, so long as he's not a jack the 3 up type of mentality.

Tone Hunter. The #1 guy I'm excited about. He's not Ennis, but maybe more AJ, and basically high caliber guards from high caliber Juco's have done well (AJ & Booker & even Papps) with us. Like all things, he's got to play foot first Defense.

These two guys are a big key to whether we can play as many pressure & press defense as last year after we lose Roberts/Cobb/Slater - Can't just roll out pressure defense, especially since we are expected to play more post players who I believe will have quite a ways to go to integrate as pressure defensive players, it took Ramsel 3 years to properly learn to hedge a screen well. One thing about last year, we could switch all over the place on defense, which compenstated for lack of size in terms of pressure. I just don't see how we replicate that playing one to two of these post players who unless have more foot quickness than I expect will make it more difficult. But I expect us to play a lot of lineups with only one of those post guys out there, assuming Hunter/Thohonis can acclimate fast so we have our 4 of the quickest experienced guys (of Traore/Jones/Murray/Hunter/THononis) out there to play with as much team speed as last year. Believe we will not have as good of team speed, but will have some better interior defense with these post guys to add to Jones/Traore's ability to board and wreck havoc defensively.

why won't we win the Big West?

#1) all four post guys turn out to be duds, which I highly doubt

#2) chemistry and team speed on defense never materializes. always a concern given CDM's history, and why Murray returning is such a big deal. But even Caffey struggled ultimate to share ball-handling effectively with King in that fiasco ending to 2013, so nothing is ever a given.

#3) Hunter, Rootegaard, & Thohonis can't mature their 3 point shot at the D1 level. You have to make 3s at this level to be really good. All signs point to their ability, so pretty confident, and can add that to Jones & Murray's ability

#4) spacing and ball sharing. this is tough to develop, it took half a season, even with veterans, to get this down. If so, watch out if Murray & one of Thohonis or Hunger...or Hart, and our bigs...can understand and space well on offense at the D1 level. Just look at Dallas taking apart the Jazz with Gobert. You can have the best defense interior big in teh league, and if you can space and move like Dallas, you pick those teams apart.

#5) well, if Murray doesn't come back, every single concern gets magnified in spades, and every plus has expectations lowered unless Hunter is another Booker

This is going in the #1 team in the Big West with Murray, not just on paper but in skill.

I would say if Murray, Jones, & Traore are not starters, it means we can get to teh final four because it would mean the new guys are that much better and we have 8 first team Big West players....but that's dreaming. Those 3 are 98% starting, and the other two who knows, the ability will jump out initially the first couple weeks...but by mid-December, the new guys who take on roles to shuffle their feet defensively and can knock down 3s and move the ball will emerge.