Not intending to offend any mid level managers, private or public sector. I do think you have it about right as to what most mid managers do. People posting on the other board often talk about how they used to evaluate performance of people that worked for them. They sound like most of the mid level managers that worked for me. They want to check boxes and mostly not rock the boat. Those posters talk as if Joy, Dan, Andy, or Jane are mid or lower level managers. They are not. They are highly paid civil servants sitting in jobs that are more like CEO positions. I look at them from a board of directors view point and, simply, without completely disregarding due process, either they perform to my expectations or I'm going to role out the black ball. It's show biz baby. You either perform or you are out. I know who LB State is...and I know if a coach or AD or Pres has success here they will likely move on. But. when they do, they will face the same rigor, satisfy your constituents or you will be out. Doesn't matter that you are a really nice guy. You must perform. LB State remains an attractive job for a lot of coaches and administrators and LB would still have lots of good options. Joy has failed here. So has Dan. So has Andy and Jane too. We do not have to accept this on the hope that maybe somebody will have one good season. Yes....I am pissed about the MBB home schedule. Andy & Dan should apologize. I am angry with Jane for caving on issues that mattered to the alumni. Pete offensive? Come on! I am so discouraged around the lack of accountability for "upper" management at LB. I can't be alone.