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Posted by Harold Card on 8/22/2007, 5:21 pm, in reply to "Canyou believe this BS posted on the Chicagoland board from Jim Engel!" --Previous Message--
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Jim Engel is well known as a s##t-head.
: Re: Setting the record straight...
:
: Posted by Jim Engel on 8/13/2007, 12:53 pm,
: in reply to "Setting the record
: straight..."
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:
: Marcelo,
:
: When the original AWDF Pit Bull application
: was
: made, I was in support and in fact serving
: as AWDF
: Secretary provided encouragement and
: assistance.
: But I also insisted that their constitution
: needed
: to include a strong statement against dog
: fighting, which they were most unwilling to
: do.
:
: Clearly the motivation was to seek de facto
: recognition of the legitimacy of pit
: fighting.
: They withdrew their application on this
: issue.
:
: Some time later a Pit Bull organization
: became
: an AWDF member. This was a serious mistake,
: and the organization continues to flounder.
:
: I have given this matter a great deal of
: thought
: and today believe that any organization
: serious
: about police canine applications must of
: necessity maintain separation from pit dog
: fighting and the associated dogs and the pit
: dog people, just as any organization seeking
: cooperation and involvement with police
: forces
: must avoid endorsement of illegal activity
: and
: the appearance of endorsement of illegal
: activity.
:
: The KNPV does not allow such dogs in it's
: competitions and a Pit Bull can not hold a
: KNPV title. This Dutch organization is
: probably
: the most successful in the world, and we
: would
: do well to follow their example in this as
: well
: as many other things.
:
: Schutzhund is a sport and trial system
: devoted
: to the police patrol style dog and police
: applications throughout the world. It was
: developed by the German Shepherd people, and
: the German Shepherd is known as a police dog
: throughout the world.
:
: One of the biggest obstacles to the
: advancement
: of Schutzhund, the German Shepherd, other
: police
: style dogs in America is the lack of
: cooperation
: and formal contact with police training and
: administration.
:
: Police departments in America can not and
: will
: not associate with organizations linked to
: pit
: fighting in any way. Until this link is
: repudiated there will be no progress for the
: establishment of a broader cooperation
: between
: police administrations and the breeders and
: trainers of police style patrol dogs.
:
: As long as this situation exists, police dog
: practice in America will continue to depend
: on the import and continue as second rate.
:
: As for myself I trained a German Shepherd in
: the seventies, and if I were ever to train a
: dog other than a Bouvier it would be a
: Malinois
: or a German Shepherd.
:
: This is an important topic, and I will have
: much
: to publish in the near future.
:
: Best regards,
:
: Jim
:
:
:
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