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Tough Guy Tournament

Posted by PCJWL on 10/26/2009, 5:14 pm

Does anyone know will there be a tough guy tournament this year, I thought I heard that Orting will not be puting on this tournament any more?

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Posted by Gopherfan on 10/26/2009, 8:18 pm, in reply to "Tough Guy Tournament"

The tough guy is at Foss High School on the 11/27. Orting is hosting the Turkey tournament on the 11/28.

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Schedule is up on the PCJWL site

Posted by Dave G on 10/26/2009, 9:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

http://pcjwl.washingtonwrestlingreport.com/2009-10/PCJWL-SCHEDULE-09-10.htm

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Posted by PCJWL on 10/26/2009, 9:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Can USA clubs wrestle at this tournament like in years past? Thanks for the reply.

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Posted by TomM on 10/27/2009, 9:28 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

If your USA team want to wrestle in the Tough Guy tournament, then go to the link Dave provided and contact the University Place team contacts and ask them. It is up to the host team if they will allow non league teams in.

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Posted by pcjlw parent on 10/29/2009, 8:57 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

It is a PCJL tournament and it should stay that way. USA clubs need to go to USA tournaments.

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Posted by pcjwl parent also on 10/29/2009, 9:02 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

scared?

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Posted by usa coach on 10/29/2009, 9:07 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

It was always open to the tough usa kids in the past. If it is going to change venues and be closed to only pcjwl then call it something else.

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Posted by lets get along on 10/29/2009, 9:19 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Then Orting needs to go back and run this tournament, We have wrestled at this tournament for the past 7 years and we are a USA club, and we look forward to it every year. Please think twice before closing it to just the PCJWL

Go USA and PCJWL

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Posted by not so on 10/29/2009, 9:58 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

the Tough Guy tournamnet is a PCJWL event and it has not always been open to everyone. Maybe it has been for as long as Orting has run it and maybe the year or two before that. Opening it up to kids outside of PCJWL has always been up to the discretion of the team operating the tournament. Opening it up might make it too big for the group and facility to handle. You may have to wait for a USA tournament, on a weekend without PCJWL, to have that huge tournament.

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Posted by usa coach on 10/29/2009, 9:59 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

If it is for the kids and the gym will be twice the size open it to all clubs or not just let everyone know so we can plan to attened or look for a different tounament

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Posted by UP Parent on 10/29/2009, 11:59 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

As a parent of a UP Viking (the host club) wrestler, I say let the USA kids wrestle. This has always been a big tournament and I want my kid to wrestle the best kids around.
I've been told that no decision has been made yet. I am lobbying for the USA clubs to be included. I guess we'll see what happens.

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Posted by usa coach on 10/29/2009, 3:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

I say just go to the seaside tourny and forget the week guy tourny.()

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Posted by UJ on 10/29/2009, 4:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Or both

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Posted by usa pride on 10/29/2009, 9:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

There was a lot of tough USA kids that tested the PCJWL kids at that tournament last year, it only make everyone better. Come on UP, Test the Best.

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Posted by let them come on 10/29/2009, 11:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

I have been coaching and assistant coaching for over 7 yrs in pcjwl. This tournament absolutely needs to open up to "some" USA clubs. There are alot of mediocre USA clubs, but there are a lot of great ones as well. We have a bigger venue and Chip is a great organizer. I don't see a problem with running two 16 man brackets an A pool, and a B pool. Then Merging the top 2 from each side. It would be great competition as well as a preview to state. HERE IS MY LIST.

USA Everett
NWWC
Basement Boys
SWWC
Toro
Deer Park
Team Tech Fall
Team Scorpion

That was just 8 teams. I say get 32 all together with an A & B bracket. 18 PCJWL teams and get 14 USA teams. If you did this it would be one of the biggest tournaments a kid could win!!! Come on Chip let them in, and make this one of the most premier tournaments in the state.

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Posted by coach on 10/30/2009, 5:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Let's open it all up and let the strong survive

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Posted by Predadator on 10/30/2009, 5:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Don't forget that we have the Predator tournament in Monroe sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Nationals company on November 21-22, 2009. There are no PCJWL tournaments or open USAW tournaments that weekend so everyone can go to the Predator. The tournament is professionally run and has great awards. Sounds like this is the warm up for the state meet.

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Posted by pcjwlparent on 11/2/2009, 9:11 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Bethel is hosting a USA tournament the weekend of Predator for those not wanting to drive so far.

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Posted by Lord BP on 11/2/2009, 9:21 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

It's not that far of a drive for a great tournament! Why would Bethel host a tournament the same weekend, why not on a weekend when nothing else was going on? It seem like they could have gotten more people to come, I would have love to go!

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Posted by UP Parent on 11/2/2009, 2:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

We love the PCJWL and try to support it whenever we can, BUT the Predator tournament is where it's at on the 20th and 21st. Although, I wish they would make it one day like last year.

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Posted by Bethel all the way on 11/2/2009, 5:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

To be honest, its the same kids at a USA tournament with a lot more money to pay at the predator, I think we will support Bethel and thank them for supporting USA wrestling, not like this organization that is in it for the money,In todays time that entry is a little much. Tell them they need to go to our meeting in August to work around our dates when they want to host a tournament.

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Bethell is the day AFTER The Predator in Monroe

Posted by Dave G on 11/3/2009, 7:56 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

The Bethell event is on SUNDAY 11/22 while the Predator at the Monroe Fairgrounds is held over two days, 11/20 and 11/21. If you really want to wrestle you could go to BOTH events and wrestle three days in a row!

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Posted by All or Nothing on 10/30/2009, 7:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Hey there was other USA clubs that was invited that finished strong on the podium beside these clubs that are mention last year. E-mail the tournament director and get the clubs blessings and we will see you after T-day.

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Posted by MOM on 11/5/2009, 10:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

THis is true...I know on one stand last year there was several from A club. What a great wrestling event, THIS would be my son's last year there due to his age! I hope we can go! It is a great day of wrestling!!!!!

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Posted by steak on 10/31/2009, 12:13 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Most of toros kids are Bethel All stars or are in the pcjwl but a lot of them are older kids (junior high or high school)

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Posted by Orting Coach on 11/6/2009, 7:33 am, in reply to "Tough Guy Tournament"

So are they letting USA wrestlers into the tough guy this year? In the past when we held the tourney we let the tough USA kid's enter. It also depended on how big of a bracket it was in each weight. Also I wonder how they are seeding we went by league results, state results, and previous tough guy results,I know it wasn't perfect but we tried to separate the best wrestlers as best we could. I hope they don't just pick out of a hat and a least try and separate the best.
As far as the bethel tourney on the 22ND I'm trying to get the kids that aren't ready for the competition at the predator to wrestle there. It might be a tough sell though with the way of the economy.the bethel tourney isn't any cheaper for pcjwl kids it will actually coast more USA card plus entry fee

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Posted by wrestle the best on 11/6/2009, 7:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

The only thing to that is they are getting Mat time, and if you plan on wrestling at State you have to have a USA card to roll with the big boys anyway.. It would be nice just to get more time and wrestle with PCJWL you guys have a great league, I wish you would get Kent to let the USA clubs to wrestle at their tournament after Christmas, its disappointing that Reuban wants nothing to do with USA wrestling, or its clubs.

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Posted by TomM on 11/7/2009, 5:24 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

Just to clarify the situation about the Holiday tournament.

Kent is the only team that stepped up to host a Holiday tournament. Since they are the only host (we normally divide the league into two locations), all 19 teams will be at the Kent facility.

The Kent team had to put a limit on numbers to ensure the facility would hold all who is coming.

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Posted by matsavvy on 11/7/2009, 6:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

You have no idea what ruben has done for our sport. He has supported usa wrestling for years as a coach and an official. Your sore because they wont allow your usa club into a christmas tournamet that all ready will have 300 plus kids, Get over it. go to usa meeting next year and get your own holiday tournament and invite pcjwl kids. If he wasint running his tournament on that date he would be one of the people to step and help you if you needed it.

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Posted by agreed on 11/7/2009, 10:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

We need to just drop the whole Tough Guy issue as it is up to the discretion of the host team and no one is entitled to enter it except for PCJWL members. I understand the issue of limiting the numbers to fit in the facility. If you want a really big tournament you should go to the Predator in Monroe or the WSWA State Championships in Spokane at the end of January. Another alternative is for you to consider going down to Seaside for their Thanksgiving weekend tournament, if they still have it. It was a very tough tournament in the past.

Just because Reuben is not opening it up does not mean he is anti-USAW. His son was a USAW Junior National Champion last year. He and his son have been involved with USAW for years. This is just a PCJWL tournament that needs to limit the entries. I already mentioned two big tournaments that will not limit the entries.

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Posted by Not agreed on 11/7/2009, 11:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

The guy is arrogant like his kid.he has small man disease, I ref at a match one year where he was ask to leave the wrestling area because he is that bad freestyle season, he is not the only one that has put on these holiday tournaments and yes the USA clubs always invited PCJWL. so cry me a river.

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Posted by UJ on 11/7/2009, 11:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

I've always known Ruben to be very helpful in anything I needed and he stepped up to run a very large tournament with a lot of logistics to deal with when the league needed him to. So, thanks Ruben.

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Posted by PCJWL fan on 11/8/2009, 7:22 am, in reply to "Re: Tough Guy Tournament"

The guy is arrogant like his kid.he has small man disease, I ref at a match one year where he was ask to leave the wrestling area because he is that bad freestyle season: That statement is just your opinion but I don't disagree with it.

he is not the only one that has put on these holiday tournaments: Correct again.

and yes the USA clubs always invited PCJWL.: USA clubs always invited the PCJWL to what? USA tournaments are open, except that Novice tournaments and they are for their league only, just like PCJWL does.

So cry me a river.: I wasn't crying about not going to the Tough Guy tournament. You were.

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