Posted by JOHN on October 2, 2008, 2:14:18, in reply to "Re: Re. REALITY"
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JFC Larry! Quit trying to pass off your and your investors' responsibility on the indigenous people of the world! There is no way that you can deflect YOUR responsibilty to "create a group of home sites for individuals who will respect not only one another, but also the environment" http://www.lasmariposa.com/guide.htm If this is the 21st century as Bobby Yo stated, step up to the plate, point to center field, and hit a home run. Fix the problem by taking the drainage through your property and on the river Very simple ....... all natural, all environmental, and all neighbor friendly You had a chance three posts ago to keep it civil, now it's on the verge of being confrontational, not "negative" as you earlier claimed. May I suggest that you open your heart and do what's right. You brought your California standards to San Pancho for a profit. If you were in California, your ass would have been sued by all your neighbors, a cease and desist order would have been slapped on you by local, city, state and federal government for impeding the natural waterflow, destruction of property, and illegal environnental damage and whatever lawyers over there could come up with to shut you down and put you away. --Previous Message-- : Again I am happy to see everyone getting : involved in all of this as I am certain you : must all be bored with your own glass : houses. The question of Calle Pakistan : beyond the entrance to Las Mariposas is an : interesting question. That land was bought : with the understanding it was a road, others : argued it was not a road, so to go along : with a benefit of the doubt the entrance : moved to assure the question of it being a : road could be addressed to those locals and : authorities whose issue it belonged to. If : it is a road, private land, or whatever is : still up in the air. I was told the road : inside of Las Mariposas had to be 10 meters : wide, the so called Calle Pakistan as it : exists is barely wide enough for one car. : Does anyone care to give up their land on : either side to widen that street? Does : anyone care to run the sewer line the rest : of the way down the street? How about : extending the water line? Putting in a drain : and pump system to carry the rain water to : the river? The land north of Las Mariposas : is the 'new wasteland and dump'. Is that a : concern? The flooding was there I suppose : since the beginning of time. I do not hear : anyone saying that the Judges house and wall : blocked the 'floodplane' Hello, that water : use to go all the way to the river, long : before the Judge's house, long before Calle : Saigon and all those houses, long before : Tercer Mundo, and the bodegas etc. etc. The : question as to if it ever flooded as much as : it has recently can be answered by the : photos that Juaquina (spelling wrong?) has : where the water was almost up to her house, : long before any wall existed. The question : of mosquitos is a mute point as there are : mosquitos everywhere, and where in that : swamp area long before any wall. The store : was built with full knowledge of the water : issue, no question about it. : Bottom line, I have not seen where anyone in : town has ever concerned themselves with that : area when it was a filthy, polluting dump : site, with trash, dead animals, broken : glass, and truck load after truck load of : garbage dumped there. I know because I paid : to have it cleaned up, buried, filled in : etc. However now, many of you seem to think : it is ok to talk about it as if it has : recently become a problem based on the : recent changes made. Wrong! If you are all : so concerned with it, lets come up with a : viable solution for all, I for one have : several ideas and am willing to share a part : of that cost, perhaps some of you other : concerned citizens would like to put up as : well to help out our neighbors. Maybe it has : been a long wet season and everyone needs to : get out for a walk, say high to their : neighbors, wish them a good day and smell : the flowers. : : Oh, I did have a curious question? does : North America, or any country or land, : belong to the indigenous people, the : Europeans who came along or who? And if so, : which ones? The first 10, 20, 30. Or is it : the most aggressive and powerful? Was it the : ones who gave of themselves, or the ones who : took what they wanted at any cost? How do we : make that determination? Because they were : there first does that mean they have the : right to keep it forever, or sell it at : will? And if they sell it, does it belong to : the people who bought it? Or do they have : rights over it because they over powered the : people there before them, does that mean it : now belonged to them? Just curious. : : Wishing you all a great and thoughtful day. : San Pancho is a magic place, lets all share : kind thoughts and keep it that way. : : : --Previous Message-- : Hello Reality: : : 1. Floodplain: level land that may be : submerged by floodwaters. : : : : http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/floodplain : : 2. Yes, The area where Marposas is used to : flood. : Look at the waterline on the wall (Message : Boards picture.) : : 3. The road "Calle Pakistan" : existed before Mariposas. : : 4. Yes, drivers "misjudged" the : depth and sunk cars, ask Faurest. : : 5. Yes, the store was built "Post : Mariposas" but the water level never : before reached the height of the pad, ever. : : 6. The residents say there are more : mosquitos but, you have a valid point, lower : surface area should mean lower mosquito : numbers. : : I looked up Homework for you: preparatory : reading or research (as for a discussion or : a debate.) : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Farmer you need do to some homework. : : You started off good stating 1 piece of : reality abut the aria flooding every year. : : After that you really lost touch with me. : : Are you saying: : : The old swamp is now called the : "Floodplain". : : Larry bought and built a nice neighborhood : on 2/3 of it. : : This increased depth of water has now made a : road that was not previously there : impassable. : : This caused several people to hallucinate : that they were really driving a boat. : : In addition, Marty's store constructed post : Mariposas is somehow now affected and the : smaller water surface aria is hosting more : mosquito larvae. : : You will introduce me to the locals... I : THINK NOT. : : Oh Yea, CHUCKY... THIS VILLAGE AIN'T : JOHNS!!! : : : GET A GRIP PEOPLE. : : : : : : : : : : :

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Posted by me on October 1, 2008, 23:10:31, in reply to "Farmer"

--Previous Message-- : Calle Pakistan was a dead end to the town dump : and fenced off from Herlindas side. : : :

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Posted by JOHN on October 1, 2008, 22:36:15, in reply to "Farmer"

In defence of Larry, it was not the "town dump". But on the other hand, nice photo. It shows a car on Pakistan, a passage through the fence and a house that was built prior to Las Mariposa building building "Da Dam" Good Girl Lousy job of smoke and mirrors there Ms Reality. --Previous Message-- : Calle Pakistan was a dead end to the town dump : and fenced off from Herlindas side. : : :

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Posted by FARMER on October 2, 2008, 12:19:21, in reply to "Re: Another Dose."

I agree with the very diplomatic Bobby Yo. To deny there is a problem is absurd. To attack each other is silly and it makes me feel bad. I'm thinking maybe the road needs to be raised and maybe put in a drain system with a pump station similar to the setup in Marposas. --Previous Message-- : Well this last opinion is clearly not : factually accurate, but I dont want to : belabor that nearsighted view. : : Bottom line is that we are here and it is : now. So what do we do with the here and now? : : Instead of continuing the wasteful name : calling and finger pointing, let's try to be : a little constructive. : : There is a problem. What is the fix? : : I invite any interested person, resident of : San Pancho or not, to send their proposed : solution to the moderator to post on the : message board so that we can use those : proposals to craft a solution to the : problem. : : I call on the moderator to post the : proposals, whether or not they are proposed : by a local or gringo. : : It doesnt really matter who owns what, we : all have to exist in this habitat. : : --Previous Message-- : RE "Oh Yea, CHUCKY... THIS VILLAGE : AIN'T : JOHNS!!!" : : Thanks for the reality check : : This "village" belongs to the 17 : families that founded it, NOT any of us : gringos. : : : : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Farmer you need do to some homework. : : You started off good stating 1 piece of : reality abut the aria flooding every year. : : After that you really lost touch with me. : : Are you saying: : : The old swamp is now called the : "Floodplain". : : Larry bought and built a nice neighborhood : on 2/3 of it. : : This increased depth of water has now made a : road that was not previously there : impassable. : : This caused several people to hallucinate : that they were really driving a boat. : : In addition, Marty's store constructed post : Mariposas is somehow now affected and the : smaller water surface aria is hosting more : mosquito larvae. : : You will introduce me to the locals... I : THINK NOT. : : Oh Yea, CHUCKY... THIS VILLAGE AIN'T : JOHNS!!! : : : GET A GRIP PEOPLE. : : : : : : : : : : :

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