Posted by Dan Giri on 26/10/2005, 2:14 pm, in reply to "Re: bassist and guitarist needed for grunge metal band" On a final note "You do not know better.." Well, as I said earlier, I always know better, and I'm always right. Although in this instance I wasn't actually claiming to know better! If someone posts something on this board that makes me ponder a response, then I'm compelled reply, even if the posted response makes me out to be an arsehole. I can live with it, safe in the knowledge that I am always right.
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My previous message may sound a little harsh, but anyone who knows me is aware that I am a loudmouth, especially when it comes to any musical discussion. As far as I am concerned, I am always right all the time and anyone who disagrees with me is completely wrong.
Referring to my potentially self satisfied (note the spelling- Jeez that was below the belt!) position in relation to Tsuji Giri as innovators, I wouldn't say that we have made ground breaking music. I would say that we try to make distinct rock music, and I can think of several groups that bear a closer resemblance to us than Sonic Youth- when you think about it, it's a pretty lazy comparison. I would say that we're more like Drive Like Jehu, mid-period Blonde Redhead (instrumentally), Unwound, certain musical ideas by This Heat, and even closer to Fugazi than Sonic Youth to name a few. As for Sonic Youth "hacking away at it", I would have to ask anyone who compared Tsuji Giri to them, to elaborate as to which period of the bands extensive history we sound like? They have evolved radically over the course of their many years as a band- early Youth? Experimental noise? Bad Moon period? Almost industrial? Daydream Nation and Goo- U.S. alternative rock? Murray St.- return to experimantal guitar music with almost a psyche edge? See what I mean?
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WANTING TO BE IN A GRUNGE METAL BAND. Of course it will be better than losers which the NME chooses to glorify! How could it be worse than these? HOWEVER, the phrasing of your advert IMMEDIATELY suggests that you ARE going to "rip off those groups in any shameless way", and that's kind of my point. I fear you may attract a certain type of musical nonce to try out for your new band, if this advert is used. You are selling yourself short with this advert, and again I recommend you alter it appropriately.
"I would never pay a top producer for an album that was only ever to be sold at gigs" Well, I have to pick you up on a couple of points here. Firstly we didn't hire a producer. We hired a studio and an engineer, and yes, there is a huge difference between the two. Secondly, whether you would or would not spend large amounts of money on creating a record that you had no distribution for, is a completely inappropriate comment to this discussion. Why not create a record or piece of music which exists completely outside the trappings of the music industry? You say it like it's a bad thing. I disagree. We are all far too reliant and expectant of the workings of the music industry to validate our output. Whether our album is commercially successful, and whether or not this is though our own choice or misfortune, it shouldn't be a deciding factor in how you aproach the documentation of your music. What better way to spend your money, if your music is that important to you? I can't think of anything more worthwhile.
By the way- is it spelt "reference"- and yes, it is quite fun.
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