Posted by USF student on 10/7/2007, 5:53 pm |
- Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Los Locos on 10/7/2007, 10:26 pm, in reply to "midnight madness?"
I was hoping this would get brought up by someone...here is what I can tell you about MM as of now. Basically what happened is this...ASUSF Superfund which is the committee who has given a generous amount of funding to Los Locos to plan, and run the event decided to essentially cut all of our funding this year.
There was absolutely NO good reason for doing this, the same protocol was follow this year as in previous years, the new student leaders are more than capable and had my advising to make it happen, and were very prepared. The laundry list of cop out excuses was throw at the new LL leadership and it all stunk of bull.
The real reason? IMO is that ASUSF is run by a select group of students who are involved in numerous organizations. Some in particular are involved with the group CAB which organizes (poorly at that) the Homecoming event. They have been extremely bitter for the past 2 years as Los Locos was able to put on 2 solid MM events that blew their joke Homecoming shows out of the water, with less than HALF the budget. These students misused the trust ASUSF put in them, and have ultimately attempted to kill Midnight Madness.
Unfortunately for us, the athletic department apparently does not have the funds to cover this loss in our budget and allow us to bring in an exciting artist and provide a very nice production set up for the basketball teams show. By the time we found out that our budget had been taken down to virtually nothing, it was really too late to plan much else. This has been extremely disappointing for me to see, and it horrible that LL cannot get further support to make this event happen the way it has in the past.
HOWEVER, we will not let the start of the season go by with nothing going on. I know the current LL leadership is planning a get together event on the night of the 12th. It will be a Midnight Madness still, yet different.Midnight Madness will include a free BBQ outside of WMG put on by Los Locos and the USF athletic department. Following this all fans will move into War Memorial where the players will be introduced, Coach Evans will discuss the upcoming season, etc. Then the players will scrimmage for about 30 minutes, then Coach will run them through a practice.
I wish there was more we could do at this point, however we were blind sided VERY late in the game, and had to scramble.
I really wish this wasn't the case as Los Locos is doing some VERY big things for this upcoming season. Once the details are 100% finalized I will make sure the new Presidents share them with you. They are a HUGE step for our organization and should be pretty exciting for everyone to hear. We thank everyone on this site for supporting Los Locos, we can only hope that those on campus will come to see this group, events such as MM, and overall school spirt's importance!
GO DONS!
- Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Purple Pride on 10/8/2007, 10:36 am, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
Ugh... this sounds sooooo similar to problems we had with our student government. I don't get it... you'd think these so-called leaders would want to do whatever they can to encourage school spirit. I learned a long time ago that college student governments are the embodiment of clubby, petty, good-old-boys politics. Kinda sad, really. Good luck LL - fight through it!
- Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Statman on 10/8/2007, 11:26 am, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
Just try to get more students to the basketball games. - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by usf8 on 10/8/2007, 11:37 am, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
call dgm if she does not have any money.what does she really do - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Los Locos on 10/8/2007, 9:28 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
made that call... - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by usf8 on 10/9/2007, 12:01 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
what did say - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Former Yell Leader on 10/9/2007, 12:04 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
LOL....Does the "8" in your name refer to your highest level of education?...after reading your last two posts, "3" might be more appropriate, with all due respect to third graders everywhere. - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by usf8 on 10/9/2007, 1:32 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
follow the money. it does not go to usf sports - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 1:33 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
The dept. did not have funding for Los Locos to cover the loss in funding from Superfund. Unfortunately. - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by usf8 on 10/9/2007, 1:37 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
as an ad dgm simply does care - Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by worldwidewebfoot on 10/9/2007, 2:04 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
Here's something Los Locos might try: Sign up more than 1,200 dues-paying members the first month of school, as Gael Force has done. There probably isn't an elected representative to the ASSMC who isn't an active member. - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 2:40 pm, in reply to "Just a suggestion . . ."
Im sorry, but Gayel force does not sign up 1,200 people...just not true. Second, that is more students than in our entire incoming freshman class, so that would be slightly difficult. Lastly, the dynamic on campus is much different between USF and SMC, as you should know. At SMC students are actively and probably desperately searching for something to do, students at USF have plenty around them, which makes it increasingly difficult. Besides, most of the students involved with ASUSF could care less about athletics.
However, I will say that Los Locos is on the verge of launching something on campus that the Gayel force has yet to accomplish, something that should help increase membership drastically.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by QD on 10/9/2007, 2:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
I think it might be an issue of student body makeup. SMC probably has more suburban kids who grew up with sports and have a greater interest in them. USF has a lot of foreign students and others who simly aren't into athletics. The turnout at the Men's soccer games has been very good, so let's hope it carries over to Hoops.
So LL, this big surprise better be good!!
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 2:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Absolutely agree QD, that is very much the case on campus. The soccer turnouts have been excellent and we can only hope that they flow into basketball!
The surprise is a HUGE step for Los Locos. While it may not be terribly exciting in general, the progress it shows, the doors it opens, and the validity it gives to the group...SO big. It is something I tried to make happen during my time, and I am absolutely thrilled that Josh, Jess and Lily were able to make it a go.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by QD on 10/9/2007, 3:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Just tell us. Something about seating? - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 3:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
I wish it was seating! Hopefully that will follow next year, I think equally important though! I will let Josh announce it once it's 100% final. Yet that brings something up I wanted to let all season ticket holders know. When you speak to Kyle J. in ticketing, PLEASE encourage him to do his best next year to help Los Locos get better seats. We need all the support on that issue we can get. Thanks!
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by RB on 10/9/2007, 5:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
If 200 students show in Gold/Green to games this year, I'm in your corner. If 20-50 students show, no way we ask loyal supporters to move for hypothetical folks who will "show up if better seating". - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 7:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
RB, Im not going to waste my time because I know you won't get it. Ill just say this, every other WCC school has exactly what we are asking for, and they didn't have to prove a thing in shitty seats. End of story. Tell me again how Los Locos isn't loyal supports. Thanks.
- PS
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 7:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
We are looking to obtain seats where there is literally no one sitting, infact...we would take the seats on the side which are not even sold. So who are you asking to move again? If you don't care about the development of USF Athletics, then just do what we have always done and nothing will change. You will fit in very well in that regard. Risk = Reward when we are going no where.
- Re: PS
Posted by abq on 10/9/2007, 8:41 pm, in reply to "PS"
Instead of throwing one of your patented tantrums at RB, why not just take up the challenge of getting 200 students to show up in green and gold? Sounds to me like it ought to be quite doable. If you get 200 los locos sitting together in green and gold to the first game (Sac State - 11/17) I will send you a $100 contribution and I guess RB will support you in your seating quest.
If you don't get 200 sitting together in green and gold then you stop whining about the seating for the rest of the year.
Don 69 is in charge of counting the green and gold butts in the seat and I will accept his count -- he is an accountant so I know he can count pretty good.
OK? Risk=Reward
(Maybe some other old timers would be willing to jump in and sweeten the pot.)
- Re: PS
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 9:16 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
Im going to write this twice to drive a fairly simply point home... Bottom line: The biggest complaint from ACTUAL STUDENTS we are trying to recruit, or get to sit with us... "I do not want to sit under the basket, I would rather go sneak into the side section seats where NO ONE is sitting".
Patented tantrums? Gimme a break. How was any of that remotely close to a tantrum? Just because I write in a more free form speech style than yourself? Or because I'm passionate about the group? Thats pretty weak. Simply a unwaranted cheap shot.
First off abq, why don't you go ahead and count the amount of seats in our section. On closer review, you will find that it doesn't even total 200. Next, you are comparing our ability to pull students with that of schools which A) Offer better seats, and B) Have much less going on around campus. Can we draw 200+ a game? Yes. Is it all up to Los Locos? No. As we have discussed many times, it is up to the basketball team to put W's on the board, it is up to the department to support us with the appropriate seating like any other student section gets, and then of course up to Los Locos to recruit the best we possibly can (something we are actively improving on, part of the big news coming out).
In reality, I am no longer on campus to accept that challenge, but Im sure Josh would be more than willing to attempt it. For Sac State? Come on, let's atleast start with a game that has some attraction...not like we get many, but anyways. You won't see 200 or even 100 students at a SMC vs. Sac, SCU vs. Sac, UP vs. Sac type game. Just a fair comparison, because I hope you wouldn't compare our results to some of the larger schools in the country with FAR more resources and students overall.
Also, for the record...accepting a challenge is NOT a risk=reward situation. What risk are we taking in trying to get 200 students to a game? That we would fail at it? We havent been able to fill for games other than our big marquees, thats been noted. We attempt to do that EVERY game. Our efforts are getting better, as is seen by the soccer turn outs this year. A risk, is giving a dedicated group of individuals seats which are NOT occupied by anyone...infact its a very minimal risk. In doing so, Los Locos is given something to sell to the student population, are shown respect for the hard work and dedication we have given to this school and will continue to give, and allowed to start a new culture while expanding at USF.
Ultimately, I really doubt RB's support in that quest will do much. It is up to the Athletic Department, and Lord knows they are rarely moved by season ticket holders, let alone anyone. I simply asked that those people put in a good word of support for Los Locos the group. As I have said many times, there is no one sitting in these seats, and we deserve them because we are growing and can continue to do so with the help of new initiatives such as improved seating.
I am not your Los Locos STUDENT leader anymore, so enough with the talking down BS. Give it a rest. I type as If I am talking and use plenty of emotions...can it come off different sometimes? Sure. So what?
Bottom line: The biggest complaint from ACTUAL STUDENTS we are trying to recruit, or get to sit with us... "I do not want to sit under the basket, I would rather go sneak into the side section seats where NO ONE is sitting". - Re: PS
Posted by QD on 10/9/2007, 9:34 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
If students are complaining about where they sit, that is lame. They should be happy to be there. They'll only join if they are given midcourt seat?!?!?!?!?!?!? Weak. If the section under the hoop is full every game, then I accept the argument that maybe another section should be designated for the students. I just dont think WMG will, all of a sudden, be full of students if they are given a midcourt section.
I agree that there should easily be 200 or more Los Locos at each game. How many kids live on campus? 2000?
- Re: PS
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 9:43 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
QD. Let's make a distinction before anything else, because I think some people get confused. STUDENTS are complaining about seats. Not exactly Los Locos Student Members. These are people we are trying VERY hard to recruit (any students), and looking for whatever else we can offer to get them to the games.
Do the die hards fans really mind where they sit? No. But some people are going to be fair weather (at most schools infact), we have to attempt to bring them in as well, and either convert them, or just have them.
I feel like alot of this debate gets taken out on Los Locos itself, we are not the ones complaining...we are just trying to grow.
I am 100% confident that new seating will nearly double our turn out very quickly. That is how many complaints I heard about it during my time at USF.
- Re: PS
Posted by bulldogshawn on 10/9/2007, 10:16 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
I think you are confused on a few things here. I'm going to remove this from the context of USF and plug the details into another situation. I'm going to assume you are a Giants fan, but if not you can insert your favorite sports team into the analogy. As a Giants fan, you've decided you want to start going to games, and start looking into season tickets packages. These are your options:
1.) Fairly inexpensive, you get seats in the bleachers in center field.
2.) Free, you get seats in the 5th row behind home plate. These are great seats and you can't say no.
Which ticket package do you purchase? - Re: PS about the CS
Posted by Former Yell Leader on 10/10/2007, 10:40 am, in reply to "Re: PS"
Isn't this neither a Los Locos or Alumni issue but rather a ticket office/athletic department issue? I mean, if the athletic departmen/ticket office really thought that giving the lower center sections of WMG to the students would help the basketball program and overall attendance, don't you think that they'd have done it by now?
We all know that they don't have any regard for the season tickets holders as it stands, so why not push them out of their seats and create an entirely new cheering section? The diehard fans will continue to come regardless of where their seats are, on the assumption that they too will be on the lower level and the walkups won't be affected. So if the athletic department really cared about student cheering sections, there would be one....evidently, they don't.
On the flip side, why don't they?...because it's the alums who are making the donations, not students. I'm not saying that's either right or wrong, just reality.
- Re: PS
Posted by santa on 10/9/2007, 9:44 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
"You won't see 200 or even 100 students at a SMC vs. Sac, SCU vs. Sac, UP vs. Sac type game." You're flat out wrong. You probably shouldn't make statements that you have no knowledge about.
100 students would be a joke. Glad it never happened (while school was in session).
- Re: PS
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 9:45 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
LOL. Ian, come on stop it. You don't draw 100, 200 Rough Riders to not marquee games. No need to argue, you just don't.
We can agree to disagree, ive seen the turnouts and talked to many others at SCU.
- Re: PS
Posted by santa on 10/9/2007, 9:50 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
I will agree to disagree. Diversity is an old wooden ship, right? Maybe the people you're talking to don't go to game themselves. Who knows? I think we'll never agree on this subject.
- Re: PS
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 9:57 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
I mean honestly...it depends! Thats the truth of it all. You see so many schools out there drawing HUGE amounts of students. Is it because they have that many more enrolled? Partially. But for the most part, its because every game on their schedule is HUGE. They play numerous ranked or well known teams, and that draws fans. We can pack our section, just as the RR's can for our big games. Why? Because its a "good" game that people want to see. Our weak home schedule hurts our fan turn out, and others Im sure.
You're right though, many don't go to the games. From what Ive seen at SCU games ive been too, there haven't been 100 or 200 students unless its a big game. You all draw very large for the GU game though, you have much more seating, and in a completely better spot. If your students were behind the basket at Leavey, would it matter? Not likey. There is no hanging basket blocking your view. Im sure that makes sense to you Ian.
I was not discrediting the excellent job your crew has done over there.
- Re: PS
Posted by santa on 10/9/2007, 10:30 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
Obviously big games are not a problem. But 100? Ridiculously low. I'd say no less than 250 show up when classes are going on. However, this was when I went there. Things are very different now. Keating is a damn magician I tell you. I'm excited to see the change. I'll be honest, even I'd be reluctant to sit in your section at WMG and you know how I like to be loud and what not. Although, one of the things that attracted me to SCU (besides the whole baseball deal) was Ruff Riders. I never looked at USF, but I don't think I would've even considered it because of the lack of enthusiasm for sports. I, too, applaud you for your efforts during our 4 years. I definitely feel lucky that all I had to do was steer an already sailing ship, while you had to bring back the Titanic from the deep depths of the N. Atlantic. There's certain things I wanted to accomplish with RRs, but I'll admit that a little "Senioritis" set in rather early.
- Re: PS
Posted by QD on 10/9/2007, 10:36 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
Santa Clara students are famous for their apathy towards sports. I think Santa is the only one who doesnt see it. Take away the GU TV game and SCU doesn't draw many students. - Re: PS
Posted by socal on 10/9/2007, 11:59 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
a current classmate/alumni donk said the same exact thing to me last week. and yes, i did love hearing her say it. - And lets kick UCLA while we are at it
Posted by smile on 10/10/2007, 6:52 am, in reply to "Re: PS"
There must be something to schools that have a high academic profile. UCLA can't seem to fill their seats either even Bennie the king in charge now. The LA press regularly focuses on the UCLA apathy which of course Lavin caused. Then look at all the seats that show up to SC games. Give LL a break, putting on a show in SF (or LA) is a just a bit different then entertaining in Spokane or Reno or Abq or Tempe. I recently went through as a parent the 'USF freshmen" experience. The complete information vacuum by the athletic department and its supporters was blinding. Nothing could be seen the entire pre-welcome and the official welcome.
These freshmen are youngsters just coming on campus looking to meet new people and enjoy the learning experience. That would have been the time to recruit.
Winning is not what puts people in the seats for students, it's entertainment. Make it a 'happening' and the students will be there. I did not like the entertainment choice of last years MM, but the show was not for me, nor should it have been. As I recall my parents did not care for the Beatles, Stones or the Dead of my older siblings choice, never mind the Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols or Police of my preference. But todays USF students did like last years event and they showed up for MM. LL is giving us one of the reasons why kids did not continue to show up. Don't shoot the messenger.
If you want the 'college' atmosphere for the games, let the college kids organize it and support their efforts. It is their show.
- Re: And lets kick UCLA while we are at it
Posted by Purple Pride on 10/10/2007, 9:05 am, in reply to "And lets kick UCLA while we are at it"
I've never been to a game at USF or SCU, so I can't really say either way what it's like down there, but I think I might tend to side with santa on this one. When Purple Pride had it's heyday in the '04-'05 season - i.e. when I and my friends were in charge of it!
- once the momentum got going in the winter, we were definitely getting in the neighborhood of 250-300 or so for Thursday games and 400-500 or so for Saturday games during the WCC season - no matter who the opponent was. All it really took was for people to think it was "cool" ... I mean, honestly it's not like there's a whole lot else going on around campus. And I think that's true for any small private school, no matter where it is located. Sure there is a lot of stuff going on in Portland on a Saturday night, but how many kids actually even venture off of campus? Not that many... most just go to house parties on the weekend. Am I wrong in assuming that's the case at Santa Clara, LMU, USF, San Diego, etc. as well?Anyway... I digress. What aided us was that it was new, our team was decent (Pooh, Cooper, Donald Wilson), and the nights (Thursday/Saturday) were way better than the new Saturday/Monday. And from there it just grew organically.
And honestly it didn't really matter who we were playing... most regular students who don't follow basketball don't really know the difference between Saint Mary's or Pepperdine or Portland State or UCSB or whatever. Sure, when Gonzaga, Oregon, and Oregon State come into town the students are more aware, but for the most part the key is getting the kids to just know that there is a game and have them want to come no matter who we are playing because they enjoy it. And I think Purple Pride had that for a while.
But the problem was that it lasted for about one more year until it just totally fell apart last year under poor leadership and our student support sucked again. That's why the decision was made to try and formalize Purple Pride and help prevent it from being so cyclical.
I don't mean to rebuke what you're saying, Ryan. What I mean to say is that if it can somehow crack into a winning formula (we totally lucked into it that one year) LL really can have it grow organically and take off and get good support for all the games.
Of course, Purple Pride has a two whole courtside section across from the visitor's bench all to itself. If we didn't have that, we definitely wouldn't have taken off the way we did.
- sounds like you are talking out of both sides .... Are you mixed up?
Posted by smile on 10/10/2007, 9:57 am, in reply to "Re: And lets kick UCLA while we are at it"
What LL is asking for is what PP has (courtside)! That last sentence should have been first as that more or less validates LL point. I have had exactly one visit to WMG in the last 28 years and I can tell you that during a sell out game, the alums sit on their wallets no matter what the score was, but LL stands and cheers. If you want atmosphere (i.e. cheering etc.) feature the students.
But I do agree with you that the kids could care less who is playing who, it's a matter of is 'where to be'. Thank goodness the game I was at was in the middle of the afternoon I did not waste a night in SF.
- Re: sounds like you are talking out of both sides .... Are you mixed up?
Posted by Purple Pride on 10/10/2007, 10:43 am, in reply to "sounds like you are talking out of both sides .... Are you mixed up?"
Yeah... I guess I meant that I agreed with santa that you can get kids to come to games no matter who you are playing against. I definitely agree with LL when he says that students need better seating though - actually I would say it's a must if you are trying to build something up.
- Re: sounds like you are talking out of both sides .... Are you mixed up?
Posted by Los Locos on 10/10/2007, 10:20 pm, in reply to "Re: sounds like you are talking out of both sides .... Are you mixed up?"
Thanks PP and Smile, it is refreshing to hear people speak on the topic who really understand the current student dynamic. GO DONS! - Re: PS
Posted by santa on 10/10/2007, 6:54 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
Hmm, so as the Ruff Rider President I would have no idea as to how things are at my school? I have no idea how many members there are? I have no idea how many people show up to games? It's ok, trust your current classmate/alumni because they obviously have more information on the situation than I do. It's like arguing against Ryan (LL) about why students don't want to join Los Locos. Ryan says that most students don't want to because of "the terrible sitting situation." He obviously has no idea what the situation is. He isn't there talking to all of the students trying to get them to sign up. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
The older people on this board need to realize that we younger alums do actually know what we're talking about. We're not just making stuff up. We're not just pulling facts and reasons out of our backside.
Anyways, I know what the deal is. You don't. And it's your right to believe whatever you want, whether you're correct or incorrect.
- Re: PS
Posted by smile on 10/10/2007, 6:58 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
And we are to believe a donk? the president no less? 
- Make an appintment with me please
Posted by Freud on 10/10/2007, 12:04 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
you are a very defensive young man. you feel you can call people out whenever you want from "you'll never undertsand" to "you are a dumb asshole." then someone comes back at you for this sophmoric behavior and you're all over them. time to grow up and converse like an adult. the "i'm young, way more inforemed than any of you, and incredibly passionate" is lame (a new term for an old german). - Re: Make an appintment with me please
Posted by smile on 10/10/2007, 12:07 pm, in reply to "Make an appintment with me please"
Go back to your mother. 
- Re: Make an appintment with me please
Posted by Los Locos on 10/10/2007, 10:27 pm, in reply to "Make an appintment with me please"
Can you come up with another alias please? How many is this for you? You want to know what is really old though? These "im older so I know what is what" posts. Or accusing myself of acting a certain way, and then not even being able to back it up.
Where was this sophmoric behavior?
How did I not converse like an adult? Last time I checked, I wrote out a very detailed post about my feelings on the subject, with plenty of facts to back them up. If you considering providing support to what I am saying childish, you may want to give that some thought again.I never said or implied that I was way more informed. Can you point out one example? What is wrong with saying I am passionate? I am. Just because you are bitter and angry, and also incapable of using capital letters to begin a sentence...no need to take it out others.
Relax. And go back to your hole.
- Re: PS
Posted by Dons69 on 10/9/2007, 9:30 pm, in reply to "Re: PS"
I will do the count as you request. I may even ask Milbrae Don to sign off as reviewer. - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by worldwidewebfoot on 10/10/2007, 9:37 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Any basis for the assumption that SMC is composed of suburban kids, or simple speculation because the campus itself is suburban? In my day more students came from SF than any other city and even today it seems eighteen-year olds that decide to go away to college tend towards the experience that is most different from their HS environment. Again you guys mistake Moraga for the Ozarks. Years ago I decided to move to central CCCounty when it was taking me an hour to get downtown on the 38 Geary from the Richmond, while my friends were driving into the City from Walnut Creek in 30 minutes, plus had better weather and parking.
Oakland and Berekely are minutes away. And despite snobbery to the contrary, WC has a respectable night life. Even the "too much to do here to support college basketball" city of SF is just half an hour from Orinda BART.
Face it, USF students just don't love their school or their teams as much as the Gaels do.
What's the earth-shattering news from Los Locos? I hear they're close to qualifying for the "quantities of five or more" discount on piss-yellow tee shirts and the club is going for it, despite the risk of probably having to eat the cost of two or three shirts.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Festus on 10/10/2007, 10:20 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
as Christian Brothers schools, plenty of SH kids go to SMC. USF used to be filled with SI and SH kids, and other surrounding high schools, so support of USF was home-grown as these were local kids.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by worldwidewebfoot on 10/10/2007, 10:52 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Correct, plus you might be surprised how many we drew from SI. We had plenty from every city with a Christian Brothers high school: SF, LA, Pasadena, Fresno, Sacto. Not sure if that's still true; the 30 minute commute sure isn't any more. My observation is you guys have too many internecine feuds going on among your sports loyalists to build a positive healthy spirit: basketball vs. baseball, JE vs. DGM, students vs. alumni, some of you vs. everyone else in the world. - Me and the Cowardly Lion vs. everyone else in the world
Posted by Former Yell Leader on 10/10/2007, 12:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Put 'em up, put 'em up! Which one of you first? I can fight you both together if you want. I can fight you with one paw tied behind my back. I can fight you standing on one foot. I can fight you with my eyes closed. Oh, pull an axe on me, eh? Sneaking up on me, eh? Why, I'll... Ruff!
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by QD on 10/10/2007, 10:54 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
"Face it, USF students just don't love their school or their teams as much as the Gaels do." That is one of the most ridiculous statements a SMC fan has ever made. Walnut Creek night life? Huh?
I must be missing something. SMC has some recent success in basketball. All of a sudden, they are crazy about sports? It wasn't that long ago that you lost 27 games in a season and couldn't even fill your high school gym.
And if it wasn't for USF higher academic standards, you wouldn't even have Omar Samhan.
Have some perspective.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Dons Central on 10/10/2007, 11:09 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Message modified by board administrator 10/10/2007, 11:10 amSMC has done a good job building up some excitement over the last few years for their hoop program. I'll give them that they have more buzz surrounding their program this year. I don't think that means that SMC students are, in general, year after year, bigger fans. As for SMC/WC nightlife. WC is not exactly right around the corner from SMC. You are still a good 15 minutes away. And good luck getting there without a car, or getting back after a few too many boozes (Lafayette and Moraga cops don't have a ton to do on weekend nights).
But, QD, there is plenty of hot, drunk women hanging out in WC on the weekends. Granted they are mixed in with clueless hicks or divorced (or maybe not divorced) women that stuck their kids with sitters and are on the prowl.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by worldwidewebfoot on 10/10/2007, 11:23 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Actually, you've described Lafayette and that's even closer. Didn't claim WC had as much or better nightlife than SF, but 15 minutes is less time than it takes to get beyond USF's mostly residential district on foot or by muni to the opera or the go-go bars, or whereever all of your students go instead of to games. We have buses in Moraga too.
But you got me. I was talking about the present. Whenever you guys are reminded of how dismal your hoops life has become, you turn back the clock.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by QD on 10/10/2007, 11:30 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Not enough to talk about on the SMC board, webfoot? I thought there was such a buzz about Gael hoops. But you have to come here and talk to us. Is Omar passing his classes? - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Festus on 10/10/2007, 11:31 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
suffice it to say, you have to win and/or have high expectations, to draw fans. Isn't that what QD and DC said. SMC has it today, but let's not all pretend it's Nebraska football at Moraga. 3 years ago there was no one at McKeon. This year, it is indeed exciting times up there. Good for you and there's nothing wrong with that and no one is disputing that.
We hope for USF to have high expectations once again...before WMG crumbles.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by TOM70 on 10/10/2007, 2:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
I do not want to get into the argument about Omar....I just want you to know that the SMC administration decided to take the time to listen to some of the issues that Omar had in taking the SAT..."that was Omar's problem" his high school grades were fine, however his SAT score needed to improve to be accepted to SMC...I am sure that is what the problem was for his entrance into USF....the administration at SMC took one extra step and decided to have Omar evaluated and what the evaluation discovered was that Omar had a slight learning disability...SMC administration then got him some specialized help for the disability. Omar then retook the SAT and also took a couple of classes at a JC and he received a high enough grade to be cleared for admission...so it seems as though SMC just did a little extra work with an individual and he is doing fine...i hear a lot on your board that this is something many of you think is missing at USF athletics..it seems to be so. Also Omar does maintain a high "C" low "B" gpa....i received all this info from someone in the administration whom i have come to know and highly respect....it has none of the sugar coating of someone in the athletic department. - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Purple Pride on 10/10/2007, 2:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Um, just FYI... whoever gave you that info committed a FERPA violation by telling you that, so s/he probably would appreciate it if you kept that on the DL and didn't publish it on a rival school's message board. Just in case I'm not being clear - the person who told you that probably trusts you, and you have just proved yourself not very worthy of that trust. Obviously a lot of people hear things from reliable people - but when you do hear stuff you have a responsibility to properly disseminate that info. What you just posted? Not a proper dissemination of info.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/10/2007, 10:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
I was just going to say the same thing. I do not understand how others continuously fail to understand that students academic affairs are THEIR BUSINESS. yeeeesssssssh
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by QD on 10/10/2007, 2:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
"Also Omar does maintain a high "C" low "B" gpa....i received all this info from someone in the administration whom i have come to know and highly respect...." You respect someone at a college who divulges the private academic record of one of its students?
And you make Omar sound like Rain Man.
- Personal disclosures ... maybe this is the guy who wrote SFO to SMC was less then an hour away
Posted by smile on 10/10/2007, 6:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Just keep your stuff amoungst yourselfs. And try to remember the record is about 100+ to 50+. SMC is interesting, SCU is the Dons rival.
- Re: Personal disclosures ... maybe this is the guy who wrote SFO to SMC was less then an hour away
Posted by santa on 10/10/2007, 7:04 pm, in reply to "Personal disclosures ... maybe this is the guy who wrote SFO to SMC was less then an hour away"
"SMC is interesting, SCU is the Dons rival." Amen, smile, amen. That's definitely my view. Although, I believe that our men's basketball team hates SMC more than USF. This probably stems from a Niesen vs. Kissin' Kickert spat a few years ago. It's funny because now Niesen can arrest Kickert for beating on people. Niesen is such a terrible person, as everyone in the WCC clamis, that he joined the SCPD.
- Re: Personal disclosures ... maybe this is the guy who wrote SFO to SMC was less then an hour away
Posted by Los Locos on 10/10/2007, 10:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal disclosures ... maybe this is the guy who wrote SFO to SMC was less then an hour away"
Everyone hates SMC more. We at USF hate their players and fans MUCH more than the Donks. It is the greatly collective gathering of punks, dicks, pricks and morons (in the case of some). What is to like?
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/10/2007, 10:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Moraga is literally in a forest. Give me a break kid. You gayel students are forced to go to games for lack of anything else to do. That must be nice for your group, but I can assure you...if those same kids were living in SF, you would be in the same boat.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by go hyphy on 10/11/2007, 10:02 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
We just live in a forest and mosey on down to the tavern when there aint no parsons shooting the old ball in there dang hoop o'er der. - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/11/2007, 10:39 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
LOL Well played hyphy
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by YoursTruly on 10/12/2007, 2:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
I always laugh at your little "gay"el nickname, super creative. Did you think of that all by yourself? And I also love how you say we're forced to the games for lack of anything else to do. No we just go because this is college and that's what college students are supposed to do. All this debating about how to get more students to a game and why or why they aren't showing up is ridiculous. There is no excuse for not filling up that thing you call a student section every game. Bad seats bla bla bla, foreign students bla bla bla, more to do in the city bla bla bla. All excuses for your pathetic student support. I'm just wondering, is it embarassing when there's more students from the opposing school in your own gym? Because I had a lot of fun at last year's game at War Memorial. Keep staying mad at the Gael Force because we'll continue to have more people than Los Locos at every home and away game against USF, and we will be louder. Lets hear some more excuses... - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/12/2007, 2:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Oh wow, here is the guy with the "don't give me excuses, because I never give any!". Save it. That act is tired and really worthless. They aren't excuses, they are reasons as to why certain things happen. Gayel force did not have more students last year at WMG, maybe if you include the entire cheer squad you dress up in t-shirts. If you had our seats, you would be saying the exact same thing. The gayel force is very fortunate, just shows the complete and utter lack of alumni support that the school can offer you that many seats. Works for you though, I wouldn't be that mad. It's easy to say "don't give excuses when you have a nice set up".
And seriously, if you don't think the reason more students go to games at SMC vs. USF is that there is not shit to do out in the woods, you have been smokin too much of that moraga weed. Your students are a bunch of retarded monkeys, you try to start fights all game and really could give a crap less about the game. Id rather have smaller numbers with people who actually care and pay attention. You don't see the GU kids on here talking smack. Why is that? Because they know they are better and don't have to attempt to prove it. You douche bags, well are just sorry and hated by everyone in the conference. Not hated because you are good, not hated because you do a better job, just hated because you're a bunch of classless a-holes.
Enjoy your high school gym, lack of any worthy school memories, lack luster alumni support, poor excuse for a campus, nuns, and ugly ass girls. Is that fat chick still doing her ghetto boogie at the games? I still have nightmares about that one.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by YoursTruly on 10/12/2007, 3:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Actually, we weren't trying to start fights. We were just moving in front of your students so the rest of the gym wouldn't hear you. We never turned around and tried to pick any fights, we just stood in front of you and started cheering a whole lot louder. I don't know who's idea it was to put you guys right behind us, not the smartest move, but to say we don't care is absurd. Pretty sure I've flown and driven hundreds of miles to support our team the last 4 years and have had some of my best college memories from our basketball games. I will continue to enjoy our SOLD OUT high school gym for years to come because its fun when you and the person next to you are fighting for a spot to stand. O yea, and when you call people classless, it doesn't really mean that much. Anyone who doesn't know you would just have to read any of your posts and I think they could get a pretty good feel for your character. - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Los Locos on 10/12/2007, 3:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
If you base your or anyone else's character on message board postings, then you are truly a good fit for SMC...a what, 5th tier school? Anyone who has met me in person knows that I have fun on the message board, and don't take it seriously...at all. If you think a person is defined by an internet message board...again, sad for you...get off myspace and save yourself. Your gym is not sold out every game, don't even begin to lie about that. You did try to pick fights last year, say what you will...but thats the truth. Your ticketing people but us behind you, it was stupid and was never done in the past. There are plenty exceptions to every generalization, maybe you are one of them. However, I was referring to big moments in school history at any time that the school can be proud of. SMC really has none of that, at any point in the COLLEGES history.
Every student SMC (except Freak) that I have spoken to, interacted with in any forum or met in person has been one shade of obnoxious. You seem to have some logical streaks in you, keep it up.
- Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by bulldogshawn on 10/13/2007, 12:53 am, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Ryan wasn't at the game last year, but I was. You CANNOT say you were not turned around yelling at us, your face wasn't more than a foot from mine and you're lucky you didn't get a loogie in the eye. Little different than what you're used to getting in the eye isn't it? - Re: Just a suggestion . . .
Posted by Purple Pride on 10/9/2007, 3:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
1,200 does seem like a bit of a stretch... though the "new" Purple Pride group (now sponsored through the athletic department instead of simply student-run and organized) has signed up about 700-800 kids since the beginning of the year... not too bad for the small student body (though I guess SMC's undergrad population is close to UP's). Anyway, I've got to agree with LL on this one - most of the student government people at UP don't care so much about athletics, mainly because they don't control the budget and don't really get to make any decisions. The most ASUP ever did (by the way, how classic is it that it's ASSMC) was spend a bunch of $$$ to buy soccer playoff tickets for students, since the NCAA doesn't give playoff tickets away for free.
I'm hoping that will start to change as Purple Pride becomes "legitimate", but we'll see... I'm guessing no, unfortunately.
I feel for all the LL people... this is SOOOO reminiscent of problems I had.
- Hey PP
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 4:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
Shoot me over an e-mail at loslocos@usfca.edu would ya? - Re: Hey PP
Posted by Purple Pride on 10/9/2007, 5:12 pm, in reply to "Hey PP"
Done. - when
Posted by go hyphy on 10/9/2007, 5:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a suggestion . . ."
So when can we expect this launch? n/m - Re: when
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 5:09 pm, in reply to "when"
Should be anytime, it's pretty much locked up. I will try to make sure the details are final, and then Josh will come post it! - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Cresco Dave on 10/8/2007, 5:53 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
12th??? meaning this Friday!!?? I have the searchlight if you/they need it. You could put the Los Locos logo over it and have a kinda "Bat Signal" to attract the masses!
Let me know! Free of charge, would just need some credit card info,etc. Could pick it up anytime Friday and return it Monday!
david_mertz@crescorent.com
700 Indiana Street x-19th Street - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Josh LL on 10/8/2007, 6:43 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
Oh man, that searchlight would be AWESOME, however we're starting at 5:30PM so I think it will still be too bright outside for anyone to notice... 
- Re: midnight madness?
Posted by dawg on 10/5/2008, 1:58 pm, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
Okay so that;'s the mens team --What about Coach Haave and the Womens team .... ??? they will be there also right ??? - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by QD on 10/7/2007, 11:42 pm, in reply to "midnight madness?"
Ugggh. - Re: midnight madness?
Posted by Los Locos on 10/8/2007, 6:46 am, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
Tell me about it QD. It is so frustrating for me personally as I had to sit here and watch it happen. Only so much any of the Locos could do to combat this, our hands simply got tied. It is such a shame that so many on the Hilltop do not understand the importance of things such as MM.
- ahhhh .... reaching new lows
Posted by smile on 10/8/2007, 6:57 am, in reply to "Re: midnight madness?"
That is really too bad. I saw how LL was handicapped by ASUSF at the freshmen welcome week also. I really never paid much attention to ASUSF until I realized the pot of gold they sit on. What is it $500M? Quite frankly putting children in charge of that money is a mistake at all universities. Why not a check list when you send your money in where you want your 'contribution' to go. Similar to the IRS 1040 where you mark off what group you want to get more taxpayer money to.
- Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows
Posted by RB on 10/8/2007, 8:29 am, in reply to "ahhhh .... reaching new lows"
I don't see the need for major expense associated with MM. It can still be successful with something like a BBQ and some giveaway (raffle) like a few software / Music discs. Give tix to BBQ and discs away during timeouts in the men's and women's scrimmages. BBQ following scrimmage. That would be my take. - Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows
Posted by bulldogshawn on 10/8/2007, 12:20 pm, in reply to "Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows"
Students really like free food, I'll give you that. But bringing in a premier artist (as they had planned) is sooo much better than giving away hamburgers. - Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows
Posted by Los Locos on 10/8/2007, 9:31 pm, in reply to "Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows"
See above for BBQ, which is great and will work out. However, Shawn is right...students these days want bigger and better...whatever we can do to attract them, we want to do. The main point is, we could of plan a nice event for a lower budget...IF we would of known in time.
- Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows
Posted by RB on 10/9/2007, 8:09 am, in reply to "Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows"
I'm shocked!!!! A lack of planning at USF? - Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows
Posted by Los Locos on 10/9/2007, 1:35 pm, in reply to "Re: ahhhh .... reaching new lows"
Not really a lack of planning (especially not on Los Locos part). More a lack of consideration on the part of ASUSF. Either way, typical.
