Posted by Anon.II/Dave Kenady, et al on 4/24/2001, 3:06 pm

Being a person of the Trinity is not considered Jesus' divine nature? Posted by Anon.II on 4/2/2001, 2:08 pm Steve said: “I said that when we speak of the deity of Christ we speak not of a person but of a nature.” Not True. On the other hand this is true washing of the pig. How can His personage be dismissed like this when speaking of His nature? The 3 persons of God is the defining error of the Trinitarian teaching on His nature. If the Trinitarian doctrine does not speak of “person” when they speak of Christ’s deity, then why do they say Jesus’ baptism shows us the Trinity? The voice from heaven: God the Father, the 1st person of the Trinity The Son in the water: God the Son, the 2nd person of the Trinity Like a dove descending: God the Holy Spirit, the 3rd person of the Trinity. All 3 persons of the Trinity are referenced here, and it is believed that the 2nd person of the Trinity is the deity of Jesus Christ. Since Steve claims that his own form of Trinitarianism does not speak of a person when he speaks of Jesus’ divine nature (after all the trouble orthodox councils went through), then is he saying that all 3 persons are the one divine nature of Jesus? Simply refusing to acknowledge the persons of the Trinity in light of Jesus’ divine nature surely qualifies as a cop-out to me. Main Entry: na·ture Pronunciation: 'nA-ch&r Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin natura, from natus, past participle of nasci to be born -- more at NATION Date: 14th century 1 a : the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing : ESSENCE b : DISPOSITION, TEMPERAMENT 2 a : a creative and controlling force in the universe b : an inner force or the sum of such forces in an individual 3 : a kind or class usually distinguished by fundamental or essential characteristics 4 : the physical constitution or drives of an organism; especially : an excretory organ or function -- used in phrases like the call of nature 5 : a spontaneous attitude (as of generosity) 6 : the external world in its entirety 7 a : humankind's original or natural condition b : a simplified mode of life resembling this condition 8 : the genetically controlled qualities of an organism 9 : natural scenery synonym see TYPE Oneness recognizes the person of Jesus as his human nature because it is both linguistically and biblically correct. ---------- Posted by Steve B. on 4/2/2001, 3:17 pm , in reply to "Being a person of the Trinity is not considered Jesus' divine nature?" A2, Once again I have to confess that your use of language leaves me completely fogged. I don't recognize my own views when you describe them, so it's difficult to find a lot to say in response. All I can really do is comment on a few things I see to be definitely false in your characterizations of my views. “How can His personage be dismissed like this when speaking of His nature?” I don't dismiss his person—I merely say the words “person” and “nature” have different meanings, and that when I speak of Christ's deity I am speaking of a nature, not of a person that dwells inside of him. I do not dismiss his person, but say it has two natures. “Since Steve claims that his own form of Trinitarianism does not speak of a person when he speaks of Jesus’ divine nature (after all the trouble orthodox councils went through)...” I don't see that you've yet established that “orthodox” Trinitarianism speaks of a person when it speaks of Jesus' divine nature, so the rest of the sentence doesn't make any sense. “Simply refusing to acknowledge the persons of the Trinity in light of Jesus’ divine nature surely qualifies as a cop-out to me.” Since I haven't refused to acknowledge the persons of the Trinity “in light of Jesus' deity” (or in any other light, for that matter), this doesn't make any sense either. Sincerely, Steve Born Email: srborn@seanet.com Home page: http://www.seanet.com/~srborn/ ____________________ I found a place nearby to go to Easter Sunday service Posted by Dave Kenady on 3/28/2001, 7:04 pm We go this in our lastest "Valupak". ---------- On 1st Ave. is it? I've heard about that church! Posted by Prejudiced Trinitarian on 3/28/2001, 9:04 pm , in reply to "I found a place nearby to go to Easter Sunday service"