Posted by A2 on 4/18/2001, 5:24 pm

The Distinction Posted by Anon.II on 3/30/2001, 12:49 pm , in reply to "Re: A repost of " Making the distinction in His person to be two natures is a split person. Are the words "personage" and "personality" from orthodox Trinitarian creeds? Yes, much more so than Jesus' person being combined human and divine. I am responding to your (Trinitarian) assertion that has not been shown to be in "established orthodoxy". We've already been through this before, and I am not using the word "personage" AND "personality" as synonyms at all, they are actually the same word as "person". If you reject it as such, than I have to wonder what kind of respect you do have for the true "meaning of words". Your argument is with Webster, not with me. The irony of it all! Such a squabble! You can add the word "person" to God’s meaning in the scriptures, but don't dare touch orthodox Trinitarian creeds! I don't get it. Main Entry: per·son·al·i·ty Pronunciation: "p&r-s&n-'a-l&-tE, "p&r-'sna- Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -ties Etymology: Middle English personalite, from Late Latin personalitat-, personalitas, from personalis Date: 15th century 1 a : the quality or state of being a person b : personal existence 2 a : the condition or fact of relating to a particular person; specifically : the condition of referring directly to or being aimed disparagingly or hostilely at an individual b : an offensively personal remark 3 : the complex of characteristics that distinguishes an individual or a nation or group; especially : the totality of an individual's behavioral and emotional characteristics 4 a : distinction or excellence of personal and social traits; also : a person having such quality b : a person of importance, prominence, renown, or notoriety synonym see DISPOSITION Main Entry: per·son·age Pronunciation: 'p&rs-nij, 'p&r-s&n-ij Function: noun Date: 15th century 1 : a person of rank, note, or distinction; especially : one distinguished for presence and personal power 2 : a human individual : PERSON 3 : a dramatic, fictional, or historical character; also : IMPERSONATION Again, I am amazed at the switch-a-rue, of whose the burden of proof is. I did not show how the modern sources you used do not accurately reflect the meaning of the Definition of Chalcedon? Who originated the claim that your modern sources were accurately reflecting the Definition of Chalcedon? Not me. (Argumentum ad ignorantium) I'm not sure why it seems objectionable to have to spell things out about the Trinity, especially since you like talking about it. Not to mention, the raking over the coals Oneness has had to endure. Though schizophrenia is called a "Split personality", still the words "split" and "personality" do reflect the meaning of your words . My intent is to use the words by their individual meanings by definition not connotation. You’ve made the distinction, now I understand the words. Main Entry: dis·tinc·tion Pronunciation: di-'sti[ng](k)-sh&n Function: noun Date: 13th century 1 a archaic : DIVISION b : CLASS 4 2 : the distinguishing of a difference ; also : the difference distinguished 3 : something that distinguishes 4 : the quality or state of being distinguishable 5 a : the quality or state of being distinguished or worthy b : special honor or recognition c : an accomplishment that sets one apart I do not think you are saying that one personality is split into two personalities, because I understand the word "personality" as singular. Also, I do not think you are saying that the one personality is split into two half personalities for the same reason. I do understand though, that you are making a distinction in His personage that makes His human nature different than yours and mine. The pejorative connotation is due to the fact that the words "split personality" are used in Modern English to represent a mental disorder marked by loss of awareness of reality, often with disturbances of behavior and the inability to reason. This is not my intent to suggest such a meaning in your words. However, this does not negate the fact that the 2 words individually mean a personage of a combined distinction. Even your quote from the Athanasian Creed says that Jesus’ rational soul is of his human mother, (not of “God the Son”), and that His deity is of the substance of the Father, (again, not of “God the Son”). (That the soul is what makes one a person has already been established before.) Main Entry: 1soul Pronunciation: 'sOl Function: noun Etymology: Middle English soule, from Old English sAwol; akin to Old High German sEula soul Date: before 12th century 1 : the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life 2 a : the spiritual principle embodied in human beings, all rational and spiritual beings, or the universe b capitalized, Christian Science : GOD 1b 3 : a person's total self 4 a : an active or essential part b : a moving spirit : LEADER 5 a : the moral and emotional nature of human beings b : the quality that arouses emotion and sentiment c : spiritual or moral force : FERVOR 6 : PERSON 7 : EXEMPLIFICATION, PERSONIFICATION 8 a : a strong positive feeling (as of intense sensitivity and emotional fervor) conveyed especially by black American performers b : NEGRITUDE c : SOUL MUSIC d : SOUL FOOD e : SOUL BROTHER Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man; God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of the substance of his mother, born in the world; perfect God and perfect man, of a rational soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching His godhead; and inferior to the Father, as touching His manhood; who, although He is God and man, yet he is not two, but one Christ; one, not by conversion of the godhead into flesh but by taking of the manhood into God; one altogether; not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person. For as the rational soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ; (The Athanasian Creed). Having said all this, again, I have to ask; is the 1st person of God (God the Father), and the 3rd person of God (God the Holy Spirit) combined persons also? If not, does this not constitute a distinction between the 3 persons that is not suppose to exist? ---------- Wow! Posted by Steve B. on 3/30/2001, 1:33 pm , in reply to "The Distinction" I actually can't figure out if I disagree with any of this or not. I'm just...wow...! I can't even find a foothold in there to begin explaining why it doesn't relate to anything I've posted, so I guess I'll just leave it at that... ---Steve