Posted by A2 on 4/17/2001, 3:55 pm

And to answer your question... Posted by Steve B. on 4/2/2001, 11:45 am , in reply to "I know you've read the following creeds" A2, You asked Of the following creeds, where is it taught that Jesus' person is both human and divine? First of all, I have to note that the statement which I have made is that “Jesus is both a human and divine person.” Your wording of it—“Jesus' person is both human and divine”—makes it sound as if Jesus has a person. What I have tried to say is that it is more accurate to say that Jesus is a person. But in the creeds you post, these are the places that teach Jesus is both a human and divine person: From the Nicene Creed: We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. From the Athanasian Creed: For the right faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man; God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of the substance of his mother, born in the world; perfect God and perfect man, of a rational soul and human flesh subsisting. From Article III, Augsburg Confession: Also they teach that the Word, that is, the Son of God, did assume the human nature in the womb of the blessed Virgin Mary, so that there are two natures, the divine and the human, inseparably enjoined in one Person, one Christ, true God and true man, who was born of the Virgin Mary, truly suffered, was crucified, dead, and buried, that He might reconcile the Father unto us, and be a sacrifice, not only for original guilt, but also for all actual sins of men. Sincerely, Steve ---------- It is your assertion that Jesus' person is a combined human/divine person Posted by Anon.II on 4/2/2001, 2:20 pm , in reply to "And to answer your question..." You made this qualification, not me. Oneness also believes that "the divine and the human, inseparably enjoined in one Person", but that that personage is only a human person. Are you now saying that you do not believe that the person of Jesus is a combined human/divine person? If so, then what is His personage, human or divine? ---------- Answer Posted by Steve B. on 4/2/2001, 3:15 pm , in reply to "It is your assertion that Jesus' person is a combined human/divine person" A2, You ask Are you now saying that you do not believe that the person of Jesus is a combined human/divine person? I'm simply continuing to say that Jesus is both a human and divine person. That is, if by “combined human/divine person” you mean that the one person has both a human and divine nature, then my answer to your above question is "no." Put yet another way, I am not now saying anything different than I've said before. Sincerely, Steve ---------- Posted by lanny on 3/27/2001, 11:36 pm , in reply to "Re: Fellowship with the glorified Son of man" We cetainly will prostrate ourselves before the man Christ Jesus. He will sit on the throne of his father David. (Strictly as man) And "every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." We will be bowing to the glorified man. This will glorify God. Accepting Christ and bowing to him is what glorifies God. Honoring Christ will not detract from God Himself as it is God who has set Christ at His right hand and exalted him above all. There is no 2nd person of deity. All of these Scriptures reveal the mystery of God's plan for man. As we are in Christ we partake of that same glory. This is the mystery "of God-Christ." Col 2:2 WH text. The whole idea of a 2nd person of deity is so abominable in that it obscures what God wants to do with man. This is revealed in the MAN Christ Jesus. Many believe that the fall of Satan revolved around Satan's learning that God's plan for man was to exalt man far above him(Satan). Thus, because of pride and jealousy Satan has been working to bring man down away from the image of God and away from any chance at exaltation and union with God. The doctrine of the trinity continues that goal. It obscures the real humanity of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the 2nd Adam. He fulfills the original plan. All that follow him will also sit upon thrones. Lanny ---------- Posted by Keith on 3/28/2001, 11:48 am , in reply to "Re: Fellowship with the glorified Son of man" Thanks Lanny for repainting the picture as you did. It makes so much sense to me and ties the Scriptures together so nicely. I remember sitting in Intro to UROG under Earl Faylor and being overwhelmed by this truth. Of course Gods plan makes sense and can be comprehended by the people he created. Even still many just won't buy it or talk themselves out of it. I hope the opportunity arises in my lifetime that the truth the Bible contains concerning Jesus becomes evident and draws many many peoples hearts to God like it did mine. I feel the truth in its proper non-Oneness Pentecostal context could draw many Jews into Christianity. Maybe even some Arabs. Again I feel many Christians have the truth in their hearts, its just scrambled in their minds. To dispel the confusion could be such a beneficial thing in my opinion. ---------- Posted by Anon.II on 3/28/2001, 1:02 pm , in reply to "Re: Fellowship with the glorified Son of man" Thanks Lanny, I couldn't agree more. ---------- Posted by Author Unknown on 3/28/2001, 3:36 pm , in reply to "Re: Fellowship with the glorified Son of man" YES,YES,YES I love your wisdom. Lanny, I talked to Steve B. today. I plan on visiting Steve and you in church soon. My company is painting the Dave W. house in the next week. Leonard J and I will be there if you should happen by.