Also, an observation on what you said Bill said about they were not retiring. That could be taken two ways. At least I take it two ways. One, the obvious. They didn't retire. They were, with little or no warning, viciously axed from their jobs. Their livelyhood. But is it at all possible that it meant that they've made plans between them to continue to "folk on" in some way? Pick a new name and continue to perform? Could/would they do so and still be able to sing the music they do so well? Or does Josh and the Fakeston Trio own the rights to every song the real Trio ever did? Just wondering. Nothing else to do on a gloomy August day in Connecticut. Think I'll go get drunk.
Edited by Rick Daly on 8/12/2017, 4:51 pm
: Dear Xroads friends -
: Those of you who have been around for a while may recall that in years past I posted
: extensive reports and lots of pictures from previous KTFCs, at least until 2 or 3
: years ago.
: Well, the pictures are gone for good unless and until I can find a photo-sharing
: site that doesn't charge an arm and a leg for the ability to embed photos, as I
: mentioned in a post below from maybe 2 months ago (and henry, I will get back to you
: about your excellent comments).
: My reports tailed off because a) they involved a lot of work (with time that I could
: have spent with the friends I've made here over fifteen years) and b) they didn't
: seem to generate much interest. I do understand that; loving the KT does not
: necessitate loving FC - but the opposite is equally true. Loving FC - originally a
: project of John Stewart and his most devoted followers - does not necessarily
: require a similar reaction to the KT.
: Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of the attendees here do in fact love both,
: though I am constantly bemused when (and it happens every year) some KT fan does not
: recognize the name of or a line from a really beloved post-1967 Stewart song, or a
: JS fan has only the dimmest understanding of the KT because they came to John's
: splendid solo work only in the 1970s or 80s.
: Now I'd like to give you a picture of what is and is not happening here this week,
: but I have to start by underscoring a point that Paul Rybolt - a close friend of
: Stewart's and the man entrusted with the overall camp design and schedule for many
: years - made somewhere below.
: As far as the trademark, license, and personnel matters go - no one except the
: principals and their lawyers know anything at all whatsoever.
: I know everyone involved in this, some of them very well and for many years, and I
: know nothing definite any more than any of you do - about the dispute, at least,
: and it is in the process of being resolved.
: Moreover, I have read every single post and reply below, and I welcome the
: participation of everyone who has posted reactions, opinions, and ideas, especially
: folks who haven't posted much in a long time or people just getting involved on this
: board now.
: But friends, I have to say that virtually every speculation posted below that is not
: in the realm of fact or expression of preference is wrong, in whole or in part, and
: most of them completely erroneous. I'll give some examples below and the specific
: sources of my information that refute some of what has been guessed at below.
: But my main purpose here now, as it has always been, is to communicate as well as I
: can the overwhelmingly positive feelings generated here this year, as usual. Paul
: Rybolt and program director Art Faller have said that they wanted to make this
: year's camp the best one ever - and I have been at the last 15 of them and this one
: is most assuredly far and away the best. The quality of the musical performances -
: by camper trios, fantasy trios, and the Kingston Trio - has been astonishing , and I
: am not one inclined toward hyperbole.
: Musical highlights abound - and many of them are posted on FaceBook but cannot be
: embedded here - but specifics about those I'll save for later, except for reference
: to one and one only. I believe that this will give you some of the flavor of the
: Now of course people here are talking about all the changes, often late into the
: night, and often with some asperity. But to dispel one baseless rumor, allow me to
: describe something that happened on Wednesday night, the evening of the first camp
: The camper performances, including my trio with my long time friend Pete Bentley -
: one of the best musicians ever at this camp - and 3 or 4 time camper Albert Barker,
: a younger guy with as sweet and emotive a tenor voice as you will hear [we did
: "Everglades"] - were at least very good and most excellent. The program
: for "Trio Fantasy Camp" lists the concluding act as "A Special
: Performance By George Grove, Bill Zorn, and Rick Dougherty. The name
: "Kingston" has not been used for what I can only GUESS has something to
: do with the legalities.
: So Tom Lamb, emcee the last couple of years and one of John Stewart's best friends,
: takes center stage and announces the performance by "Our friends George, Bill,
: and Rick..." - here Tom paused and half turned from the mic, moved back to it,
: and said in that full captain's voice that is strong but neither strident nor
: shouting - "...THE KINGSTON TRIO!"
: What happened next is a memory that will last me several lifetimes. The audience
: included perhaps 150 to 200 people. Their response - EVERYONE IN THE ROOM - could
: only be described as volcanic, a Mt. St Helen's in Scottsdale. The entire crowd
: LEAPT to its feet, clapped and cheered for two full minutes as the trio took the
: stage (I timed it), and kept cheering and cheering and cheering. My throat is
: clutching as I type this. I am 67 and have never but never seen such an opening
: greeting for a performer - not the Bolshoi, not Tommy Emmanuel, not the Eagles or
: John Denver or the Beach Boys in their prime, or anyone else. It was not an act of
: defiance or anger or anything other than the overwhelming love that these folks
: here, quite possibly the longest running and fiercest of KT fans anywhere, felt for
: these three musicians and what they have done to continue, enhance, and - this is a
: very carefully chosen word - ennoble the tradition of the Kingston Trio.
: When the applause subsided, Bill Zorn - whom I first met 47 years ago and who is the
: main onstage spokesman for the group in concerts - took the mic and said in his rich
: baritone, "I would just like to correct something you may have heard that is
: not true... (pause)...WE ARE NOT 'RETIRING'."
: ...followed by another minute of standing ovation.
: The trio then immediately began a heartrendingly beautiful performance of John
: Stewart's last great song, "Jasmine."
: Thunderous applause.
: Then very uncharacteristically but with an easy confidence, George asked if there
: were any requests. Ten or fifteen song titles were shouted out, and the group
: quickly settled on "Rolling River," a song for which no video exists that
: demonstrates the absolute power of the live rendition that GBR bring to this song,
: and which (IM-notH-O) is a song that GBR absolutely own.
: Standing O #3
: They close with "Road To Freedom," a song that they do as it should have
: been done 50 years ago.
: Standing O #4, end of program.
: And that was just the first night. The next two evenings generated even more impact.
: Tales for another time.
: In sum - the camp is its usual wonderful self. We have more rumors running rampant
: here in Scottsdale than even on Xroads. Most all of them are founded on
: misinformation, half information, speculation - often ignorant speculation - and
: even desperate hopefulness. I do believe that since camp ends tonight we will have
: more clarity on some issues by tomorrow morning - and quite possibly even more next
: Over and out for now.
Also, an observation on what you said Bill said about they were not retiring. That could be taken two ways. At least I take it two ways. One, the obvious. They didn't retire. They were, with little or no warning, viciously axed from their jobs. Their livelyhood.
But is it at all possible that it meant that they've made plans between them to continue to "folk on" in some way? Pick a new name and continue to perform? Could/would they do so and still be able to sing the music they do so well? Or does Josh and the Fakeston Trio own the rights to every song the real Trio ever did? Just wondering. Nothing else to do on a gloomy August day in Connecticut. Think I'll go get drunk.