Posted by Illuminati on 6/22/2009, 9:37 am, in reply to "Re: Jesus' Divinity 6"
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Amir posted:
Why is it necessary:
For God Almighty to explicitly command us to worship Him, and
for Jesus to explicitly command us to worship "the Father."
while it is not necessary:
For Jesus (pbuh) to explicitly command us to worship him, or
for God to explicitly command us to worship "the Son"?
Is this not a fair request?
I have already given you more than one such text. Twice in Daniel, God gives the son of man power and authority so that everyone will worship Him. That is a direct statement. The problem is that when I give you the statement, you try to avoid its meaning by equvocating about the translation.
Amir posted:
""When God called Jesus His "only begotten son" that means that Jesus is unique.""
I'm sorry but it doesn t .Once again u are favoring your own belief and disregarding proofs.
The term "only" means there is none other. If Jesus is the only being who is begotten by God, that means that Jesus is unique.
You claim that I am "disregarding proofs" and that I'm favoring my own beliefs. I believe the situation is much different. From the beginning, you have been certain that the Bible supports your interpretation of the Koran. It does not.
Amir posted:
Hebrews 11 verse 17:
"By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son...."
So according to your reasoning Isaac is the unique son of the prophet Abraham(pbhu)?
Absolutely. What else could it mean?
Amir posted:
As can be seen this is a fallacy in reasoning.One has to understand that the Bible is emphasizing of the special relationship of the one concerned hence the words:"His one and only".
You have decided to put your salvation in Jesus(pbuh) whom u believe is the son of God but the Bible says in Psalms 146 verse 3:
"Put not your trust in princes, NOR IN THE SON OF MAN, in whom there is no help."
Since we both have the Bible, we each have a choice. Either we can believe Jesus and be saved through Him, or we can reject His words and be lost. Here is what Jesus said:
John 14:6-11
6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
John 3:3-21
3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"
5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
9 "How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.
10 "You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things? 11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven — the Son of Man. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
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