Posted by Amir on 6/14/2009, 7:25 am, in reply to "Re: The Holy Spirit 1"
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AS expected u clearly overlooked the fact that Paul contradicted Jesus several times.The fact is that the preached a totally diffrerent Gospel.If u are a follower of Paul then u cannot b a follower of Jesus.Here's why:
Who will have Eternal life??
According to Paul:Rom.6
23.For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Jesus says:
Matt 19
29.And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Luke.14
[28] For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
[33] So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
So do u follow Jesus (peace be upon him) or Paul?
2.Dying:
Paul says:
I Corinthians 15
31:I protest, brethren, by my pride in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!
Jesus says:
John 11
26:and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.
On the basis of judgment:
Paul says:
Rom.2
[12] All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.
Jesus says:
John.12
[48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.
your father:
Paul says:
1Cor.4
15. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Phlm.1
10. I appeal to you for my child, Ones'imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.
Jesus says:
Matt.23
9. AND CALL NO MAN YOU FATHER ON EARTH, FOR YOU HAVE ONE FATHER,WHICH IS IN HEAVENS.
Amazing isn t it?Can u still not see the difference?
Anyone who considers Paul as his father has REJECTED the teachings of Jesus(peace be upon him).And u claim to be a faithful follower of Jesus.
3.How to get eternal life??
Paul says:
Rom.5
[21] so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus says:
John.5
[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me,has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
4.sacrifices to God:??
Paul says:
1Cor.5
[7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5
2.And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Jesus says:
Matt.9
13.Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'
5.number and identity of leaders:??
Paul says:
1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless leaders in Christ . . ..
Jesus says:
Matt.23
[10] Neither be called leaders, for you have one leader, the Christ.
6.He destiny of the Law and the Prophets:??
Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
7.On the commandments and eternal life: ??
Paul says:
Rom.7
9. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died;
10. the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.
Jesus says:
Matt.19
17. And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.
8.On forgiveness of trespasses:??
Paul says:
Eph.1
[7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace
Rom.4
[25] who was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification.
Jesus says:
Matt.6
[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Like this there are many other instances where Paul contradicts Jesus(peace be upon him) but surprisingly his words are preffered other that of Jesus by christians who claim to love Jesus(peace be upon him).I think these examples would do for now.I can believe in jesus but not in paul because:
1.Paul clearly contradicted Jesus(peace be upon him) which makes us more certain than ever that he is not a prophet.
2.He contradicted himself!But thats not surpsing since it was bound to happen considering the fact that his teachings were different from that of Jesu(peace be upon him).
How many christians today practise circumsition?
None.
If a christian today accepts cicumsition then he would be in a position to claim that he is a follower of Jesus(peace be upon him).
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