Posted by Illuminati on 6/5/2009, 3:43 pm, in reply to "Jesus is God 1"
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Amir said:
"While the Messiah is called “Mighty God” in Isaiah 9"
Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods" (Elohim; plural to El); you are all sons of the Most High.' " "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah.
The old Jewish culture gave "Godly" titles to people who are not in anyway divine.
Notice that in Isaiah 9:6, it clearly says "and his NAME shall be...." This clearly proves that "Mighty God" is just a name given to the coming Prophet(Jesus).Since this is just a name, this also clearly proves other people in the old Jewish culture were named that name before, even if they're not mentioned in the current Bible.
Have Isaiah 9:6 said "and he will be God Almighty Himself" or "and he will be the God Almighty" then this would be different, because we now would be talking about not just a NAME given to someone, but rather GOD Almighty Himself.
" While the Messiah is called “Mighty God” in Isaiah 9, He is presented as a suffering servant in Isaiah 53."
Exactly,this proves the point that Jesus is not Almighty God.
Amir, it appears that you acknowledge that it is appropriate to call Jesus "mighty God?" If so, then I don't see that we have much to argue about. Your point, that the ancient Jews used to incorporate God's name into their own names is well taken. For instance, Jesus is equivolent to Joshua. If my memory serves me correctly, Joshua is a combination of the words Jehovah and saves.
What Isaiah has done is different. He lists a number of attributes which the Messiah will have. He will be called those things because those are His attributes. One of those attributes is that He will be a mighty God. Because the Jews were monotheists, they didn't ever address other humans as "God." Anyone who believed that they were a God was considered an imposter. There were plenty of self styled Gods, but they never managed to live up to their billing. The Messiah is different. Through Isaiah, God Himself has directed us to call the Messiah "mighty God." That is good enought for me.
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