Posted by Amir on 5/27/2009, 6:03 pm, in reply to "Re: The Koran and the Messiah 2"
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The concept that God died for our sins is very illogical.God creates humans who sins ,then God decides to come down in human form and die for our sins when WE are commiting sins?
Why does God has to come down in human form in the first place?
If i create a car,do i have to become a car to know what differentiate between good and bad?
"Christians did not invent the doctrine that God can manifest Himself in human form. The fact that God has already appeared on this earth to in human form is well established in the following passage from the Bible."
Genesis 18:9
Then THEY said to him, "Where is Sarah your wife?” And he said, "Behold, in the tent."
Genesis 18:10
And HE said, "I will surely return to you at this time next year; and behold, Sarah your wife shall have a son." And Sarah was listening at the tent door, which was behind him.
There is a clear distinction between, "THEY" said, in Genesis 18:9 and, "HE SAID" in Genesis 18:10. In 18:9 only two of the men ask Abraham where Sarah is, but in 18:10, only one of the men says, 'I will return next year.'This distinction means this is not the trinity in focus,otherwise the pronouns would not shift back and forth from singular to plural.
Genesis 18:13-14 And the LORD (Yahweh) said to Abraham,"Why did Sarah laugh, saying,'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am so old?'14.Is anything too difficult for the LORD(Yahweh)?At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah shall have a son."
This is Yahweh speaking to Abraham, and it is the angel(singular) of Yahweh,whom Abraham recognized because prior in earlier chapters of Genesis the angel of Yahweh appeared to Abraham’s mistress and Sarah’s maidservant in Genesis 16:7, 9, 10, & 11 promising her she would bear children.Later this same singular angel of Yahweh came to Abraham to deliver Yahweh’s messages to him in Genesis 22:11, 15
Genesis 22:11
But the angel of the LORD (Yahweh) called to him from heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am." NAS
Genesis 22:15
Then the angel of the LORD (Yahweh) called to Abraham a second time from heaven.
Exodus 3
4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, "Moses! Moses!"
And Moses said, "Here I am."
5 "Do not come any closer," God said. "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground."
6 Then he said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob." At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.
Judges 13
21 When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD .
22 "We are doomed to die!" he said to his wife. "We have seen God!"
23 But his wife answered, "If the LORD had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor shown us all these things or now told us this."
Here they thought that they saw the face of GOD Almighty when they only saw His Angel. Notice how they were scared that they were going to be doomed.
1 John 4
11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
12 NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.
Deuteronomy 34
10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face
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