Posted by Illuminati on 5/23/2009, 2:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Science or Miracles"
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Amir said:
The inspired Hebrew text clearly says Ahaziah was 42 years old. The masoretic scribes were very scrupulous in copying their sacred trust. No word or number was written from memory but each word was carefully checked before he recopied it. The copies were checked and checked again and if there were a single error, the whole was discarded and and new one begun.
Jesus(peace be upon him) said: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:18. When Jesus(peace be upon him)mentions the jots and tittles he is speaking of the Hebrew language.
Very interesting. Amir, are you now acknowledging that the Hebrew scriptures are inspired without any deliberate changes? Do you now adopt a fundamentalist approach to the Hebrew scriptures?
Amir said:
A new type of organism discovered in an Arctic tunnel came to life in the lab after being frozen for 32,000 years.
Let me see. Were the boys actually microorganisms who were frozen for three hundred years? The story doesn't mention anything about the freezing process.
There are people who are working on deep-freezing sick people at the time of death so that they can be thawed at some time in the future when there is an effective treatment for their fatal disease. This is no easy matter since the freezing irreversibly damages human cells. To freeze and thaw a mammal without killing it takes advanced scientific techniques. It is something which would occur naturally.
Amir said:
Very true.The revelation of the Quran was miraculous in nature and science doesn t explain that ,but so what?It contains scientific facts as signs for the believers and whether science supports its means of revelation or not,it doesn t affect this fact.
I think we probably understand each other here. If you are using your "miracles" as signs, that is different from the claim that science supports the Koran. Whether miracles are compatible with science depends on how we define miracles. If miracles are violations of scientific laws, then obviously they are in conflict. On the other hand, if miracles are unusual events which are compatible with science but which are not explainable by science because of the pattern in which the events occur, then they are not necessarily in conflict. For example, this sentence in this post is completely compatible with science, yet science can not fully explain why this sentence exists.
Amir said:
"This is the same logical fallacy you have made in using the Bible. When the Bible appears to support your claims, you profess to believe it, but when it disagrees with you, you reject it."
With the Bible it is different because it isn t 100% valid.The Bible says that insects has four legs as do the Quran and science ,i accept it.
The Bible says the earth is flat in contrary to the Quran and sience,i totally reject it.
Now just answer this simple question:Do u agree with the Bible that the earth is flat?
If yes then i no comments but if u answer no then i don t see why u told me that i shouldn t be following only part of the Bible.So is the earth flat?yes or no?Do u accept it or not?
I'll be waiting for your answer.
Since my understanding of inspiration is different from yours, this paradox is really not a problem. If the Bible actually taught that the earth is flat as you claim, that would not be of particular concern since it has nothing to do with the message contained in the Bible.
Here is a Bible passage which deals with the topic of the curvature of the earth. Even with this reference, I make no scientific claims for the Bible. As with most discussions of this nature, the evidence is inconclusive since passages are open to differing interpretations.
Isa 40:21-22
21 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood since the earth was founded?
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
NIV
It is my understanding that the Bible authors spoke in the language of their day, and made use of the cosmology of their day to demonstrate God's truth. Since the language and the cosmology of people is always imperfect, the Bible naturally contains the same human imperfections. That does not lesson the truth which the language imperfectly states.
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