Posted by Amir on 5/7/2009, 7:09 am, in reply to "Re: Jesus(peace be upon him)"
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"I'm not sure I follow the logic here. If some Christian churches used the words, "Allah Almighty" what does that have to do with Islam?"
Some churches are using the words "ALLAH ALMIGHTY" and u fing nothing surprising???Well,i won t say anything on that.The readers can make up their own minds.I don t think i have to tell the relation between the words ALLAH ALMIGHTY and ISLAM.Do u really don t know of the relation that exist??
"Jesus' followers, close acquaintances, and the Romans all believed that Jesus had died on the cross. Jesus' cricifixion was a very public event so that everyone who cared to look could know for certain that it was He who was on the cross. It was not a secret execution in which everyone could have been tricked."
According to the New Testament Jesus' disciple fled for their lves on the nigth of the crucifixion except for one, that is Saint Peter.
Matthew 26:
56.But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
69.Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
70.But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
71.And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
72.And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
If he did not deny that he knew Jesus (peace be upon him ) he would have got crucified.
Unlike the Gospels of the New Testament, the Apocalypse of Peter (the Revelations sent to Peter) was directly written and spoken by Peter himself.This Revelation was widely accepted and believed in by the early Christians during the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries.
From his Apocalypse:
"The Savior said to me,:"He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me."
But I, when I had looked, said "Lord, no one is looking at you. Let us flee this place." But he said to me, "I have told you, "Leave the blind alone!" And you, see how they do not know what they are saying. For the son of their glory instead of my servant, they have put to shame."
And I saw someone about to approach us resembling him, even him who was laughing on the tree. And he was filled with a Holy Spirit, and he is the Savior. And there was a great, ineffable light around them, and the multitude of ineffable and invisible angels blessing them. And when I looked at him, the one who gives praise was revealed. And he said to me, "Be strong, for you are the one to whom these mysteries have been given, to know them through revelation, that he whom they crucified is the first-born, and the home of demons, and the stony vessel, in which they dwell, of Elohim, of the cross, which is under the Law. But he who stands near him is the living Savior, the first in him, whom they seized and released, who stands joyfully looking those who did him violence, while they are divided among themselves. Therefore he laughs at their lack of perception, knowing that they are born blind. So then the one susceptible to suffering shall come, since the body is the substitute. But what they released was my incorporeal body. But I am the intellectual Spirit filled with radiant light. He whom you saw coming to me is our intellectual Pleroma , which unites the perfect light with my Holy Spirit."
Now let us see what the Holy Quran says:"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them. (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"
Peter according to the NT and to the Apocalypse was the only ONLY ONE who witnessed the crucifixion.Hebrews 5:7 and 8 of the NT clearly support Peter's Apocalypse.
7 During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered.
Psalm 91:12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
If Jesus (peace be upon him) died on the cross ,can u explain to me how it is possible for his feet not to touch th ground?Do not forget that he was buried afterwards.
“For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;” (Psalms 37:28)
According to the Bible Jesus(peace be upon him) was put on the cross.And he cried out:"Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?" which means "my God ,why have u forsaken me?"
God says in Psalms 37;28 that he does not forsake his faithful ones so why did he forsake Jesus(peace be upon him)??
The most plausible reason i can see is that the one who was put on the cross was not Jesus(peace be upon him)
Acts 5
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a TREE.
Matthew 27
42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the CROSS, and we will believe him.
What do u make out of this?
According to Peter the real Jesus(peace be upon him) was the one of the tree while the one on the cross was a substitute.
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