Posted by Amir on 5/7/2009, 6:25 am, in reply to "Re: Can I move Mountains?"
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"Amir's criticism of my statements would be valid if I were on this site quoting Jesus' parables to prove that Jesus had scientific information which was not available in His day."
According to u Jesus(peace be upon him)is God,so doesn't God have all possible scientific informations?
U didn t use Jesus(Peace be upon him) parables to prove his knowledge as u said but this doesn t change anything.My criticism is based on the fact that u turned his words into parables when u can t follow it,am i right?
Now when Jesus(peace be upon him) was talking about moving mountains he didn't say that they were parables.However only a person with a totally objective mind will take it literally.The point i want to stress out here is that there are some sayings that cannot be taken literally because it would be irrational.Similarly when the prophet Muhammad(SAW) said that the sun prostrates to Allah almighty it is impossible to take it literally because as i said before the sun doesn t have hands or feet.If u think that i am playing games because of this simple deduction then so be it.Furthermore the sahabas understood that it was a methaphorical speech because they didn t asked him for further information.
We do not take as parables whatever is unscientific in the hadith but rather what seems to be logically coherent to be taken as parables.
"If a passage supports Amir's claim, he accepts it as a literal statement, but if a passage does not agree with Amir's claim, he automatically places it in the category of a parable."
I dont remember claiming that the hadiths contain absolute advance scientific information.Go and read the section about the hadith about the sun and see what i really claimed.Threre is one hadith which talks about the sun rising in the west and this is still to be proven but nethertheless it is in accordance with scientific claims about the big crunch and events that would preside.I rather claim that the Quran contains advanced scientific informaton which was far ahead of its time.U have still not provided any unscientific statement form the Quran which according to u, we take as parables.
I challenge you to provide one SINGLE verse from the QURAN which is proven to be scientifically innacurate.If u can do this then i won t mind admitting that u r right and then,and only then ,will your claim about me playing games or whatever stand.
It has been the case throughout the ages that with all previous prophets, their miracle was separate from their book. Although we may claim that we have the "Torah" of Moses, still, it is not possible now to bring Moses' (pbuh) staff and see it perform miracles as it did in his time. Similarly it is not possible today to see Jesus (pbuh) raise the dead as he did so many centuries ago. However, since the message of Islam was the final message of God to mankind, therefore, the book of Islam itself was made the main miracle of Islam and it has continued to renew it's challenge to mankind throughout the ages.
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