Posted by Illuminati on 5/7/2009, 12:29 am, in reply to "Re: Jesus(peace be upon him)"
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Amir said:
Recently Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archiologist, found more than twenty churches in Madaba at the south of Jordan. From the Forth Century we found houses in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscription in Arabic :"Bism Allah al Rahman al Rahim" which showed that Christians were the first to use this name, Allah for GOD Almighty, which proves that the name of GOD Almighty in the Noble Quran, "Allah" is the correct one. This also proves to us that the Bible is not all found. There are still missing pieces in it that disprove trinity.
According to Islam, as I mentioned above, Jesus is the chosen Prophet of GOD Almighty who will come to fight the army of Satan and defeat him. Jesus is the Good that GOD Almighty will use to defeat the bad here on earth. As we've seen above, Allah Almighty according to Jesus' quotes, honors those who do righteousness. Jesus didn't say in these quotes that you have to believe in me as the GOD Almighty Himself and then do righteousness in order for you to be blessed. No mention of any Triune GOD by Jesus. Jesus was clear about teaching us what pleases Allah Almighty, and what doesn't; believing in One Mighty GOD and doing righteousness is what Jesus taught.
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. If some Christian churches used the words, "Allah Almighty" what does that have to do with Islam?
Amir said:
In order for someone to be a Muslim, he must believe in Allah Almighty's teachings in the Bible, through what Jesus peace be upon him taught in the Gospel and what was Revealed to Moses peace be upon him; "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). (The Noble Quran, 3:3)" That's why Muslims only believe in Jesus' quotes to be closest to the truth in the Bible.
Saying that Jesus' sayings are the "closest to the truth in the Bible" does not mean much if Muslims don't respect the Bible. It would be much more meaningful if you simply stated that the teachings of Jesus are the truth with no qualifiers.
Amir said:
This verse doesn't clearly state that the predicted servant will actually die. It could be easily read as he will defeat, overpower and/or escape death. Also, when we study carefully the poetical literature of Isaiah 53, and study carefully the claims made above, we see that "him pouring his life unto death" means that the goodness that he will bring from GOD Almighty will be the light that will bring his people from darkness (death) into light (goodness). He will defeat death (darkness). Isaiah 5:12 does not state that he will die. It clearly states that he will shadow or overwhelm death by his life.
Jesus' disciples say Him die on the cross. The theory that Jesus didn't die on the cross seems to have been invented later by individuals who had a philosophical reason for rejecting the eye witness reports. The Gnostics were prominent in this belief. They believed that the spirit is good, but that the body is bad. They thought that the body is a prison in which the immortal spirit is trapped. Because they believed that Jesus was perfect, they didn't believe that He actually had a body like everyone else. Therefore, they thought that it was an illusion when Jesus was nailed to the cross. For the most part, they probably didn't reject the eyewitness testimony, but they interpreted it in light of their own Platonic understanding of the spirit.
When Mohammad came along 700 years later, he appears to have endorsed the Gnostic's viewpoint. There is little else in the Koran to suggest that Mohammad accepted the Gnostic's basic premise upon which they based their argument. Therefore, Mohammad's statement in the Koran stands alone without any precedent.
Amir said:
Both Muslims and Christians believe that the grave of Jesus today is empty.It doesn't have his body in it, because both believe that he was raised to Heaven.The difference between Muslims and Christians in this issue is that Muslims believe that Jesus never died on the cross but was raised to GOD Almighty.Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross, was buried in the grave (obviously his foot would've struck at least one stone!), and was resurrected to GOD Almighty.
This seems to be a good summary of the difference. Mainstream Christians have believed that Jesus died on the cross ever since they saw Him crucified. The Gnostics and now the Muslims seem to believe that God played a trick on everyone.
Jesus' followers, close acquaintances, and the Romans all believed that Jesus had died on the cross. Jesus' cricifixion was a very public event so that everyone who cared to look could know for certain that it was He who was on the cross. It was not a secret execution in which everyone could have been tricked.
Amir said:
In the above Sayings of our beloved Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, we clearly see that he was most concerned with "righteousness". It doesn't make any sense that Allah Almighty would bless a person and throw him in hell at the same time. When Jesus said that GOD or Allah Almighty will bless those who do righteousness, he meant it.
This is the Gospel that we Muslims believe that Jesus peace be upon him taught. Believe in One True Living GOD Almighty, and love each others.
Amir has spoken well spoken here. Christians and Muslims can agree here . If Christians, Muslims, and Jews could all do good works and love other people, this would be a much better place.
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