Posted by Illuminati on 4/24/2009, 6:21 am, in reply to "Re: The Koran"
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After quoting Isaiah, Amir said:
...clearly refutes Christianity, because the Servant here will live to see his biological children ("his offspring") along with his days being prolonged (made longer). Christ died at the young age of 33 according to Christianity, which is also against this verse. Christs' years are short in Christianity, while in Isaiah 53:10, the servant's years are very long and extended along with him living them with his biological children.
I can not comprehend what you are trying to accomplish by these statements. Do you believe that the writings of Isaiah the prophet are accurate? Do you rely on them for doctrines? If not, then why are you acting as if you believe what Isaiah said when it works to your advantage? It appears you are using the same circular logical in your theological discussions that you have used in your "scientific" discussions. You are right back in the familiar "heads I win, tails you lose" mode. You believe in the Bible when you think it can be used to support your interpretation of Islam, but reject the Bible when it disagrees with you. Perhaps while you are reading the Bible, you should practice faith. If you read it with faith, then you will perhaps understand it, and better yet, perhaps you can be saved.
Amir said:
That the Quran supersedes the previous scriptures is not just my opinion. The quran says so, clearly and unambiguously
The Quran says: And, (Oh Muhammad, SAW) We have revealed to you the truth in this book _ (the Qur'an). It confirms the scriptures that were (revealed) before it, and it supersedes them. 5:48
Here is the passage in the Koran Amir refers to:
005.048
YUSUFALI: To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
PICKTHAL: And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.
SHAKIR: And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;
Amir, are we reading the same passage? I don't find anything about the Koran superceding the Bible here. Mohammad claimed to be a prophet, and of course he believed that he came later in time from the previous prophets, but that is not the same thing as your claim that the Bible has been changed by people. Perhaps I am missing something here?
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