Posted by Amir on 4/8/2009, 9:45 am, in reply to "Re: Selective quoting avoids the truth"
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Here are some other points that are raised that are supposed to be insulting to women:
"Menstruation is a sickness. Don't have sex with menstruating women."
The following links will state whether having sex during the menstrual period is healthy or not:
http://www.athenainstitute.com/prsexme.html
http://www.womenshealth.org/a/sex_during_period_pregnancy.htm
"Have sex with your women whenever and as often as you like."
So no restriction has been set as to when and how many times a couple can have sex. Is that really an insult?
"Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are "a degree above them."
A degree above them in what? In responsibility because Islam lays down the responsibility of the household on the shoulders of a man.
"Marry of the women two, or three, or four."
I have to quote the verse that the above sentence refers to, so that it is clear to everyone what exactly is in the Quran, so please do not object.
"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."
Notice how Allah Almighty orders men to be either fair to their wives or never marry more than one wife. A man has to be fair otherwise he CANNOT marry more than one. This verse was revealed after the Battle of Uhud when a lot of muslim men (nearly half) were lost. Hence Allah(swt) told the muslims to adopt orphans and if they fear that they would not be able to be fair with them then they should marry two, three or four women of their choice. And if they feel that they will not be able to treat them all equally then they should only marry ONE.
"You may not forcibly inherit women, unless they flagrantly lewd."
These are nothing but misquotations! I am truly shocked! The actual translation is as follows:
O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good. (4:19)
Firstly this verse bans the old practice of women being inherited and secondly it only commands that husbands are to treat their wives with kindness and love.
"Instructions for exchanging wives."
The verse referred talks about cases where the husband wants to divorce his wife and marry another woman. At the time of marriage the husband is supposed to give the wife dowry amounts. So the Quran says that when the husband is to divorce the wife, he cannot take even a little bit back out of the dowry amount even if he gave her a treasure worth of dowry.
The husband cannot take anything back! Is that really unfair to the woman!?!??! (refer Quran 4:20-21)
You can't have married women, unless they are captives.
Only if the captives convert to Islam, and agree to marry. Firstly when a captive will convert to Islam, her marriage with the previous husband will become void automatically because a believing woman cannot be the wife of a disbeliever. However, you still cannot FORCE them to marry you. They along with people that are allowed to marry “are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers..”(4:24)
"Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them."
Wrong translation again! The translation is as follows:
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). (4:34)
Hence there is no concept of a man being MASTER of a woman. It is said that a man is a PROTECTOR and MAINTAINER of a woman.
Secondly to come to the beating part. Firstly you make it sound that if a wife disobeys, the husband is allowed to beat the crap out of her. That is wrong. Quran is referring to the women who cheat on their husbands. Who go sleep with another man (men) while their husbands are not aware.
The word "beating" is used in the verse, but it does not mean "physical abuse". The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) explained it "dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that leaves no mark". He further said that face must be avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is no more than a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush.
Generally, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to discourage his followers from taking even this measure. He never hit any female, and he used to say that the best of men are those who do not hit their wives. In one hadith he expressed his extreme repulsion from this behavior and said, "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?” (Al-Bukhari, English Translation, vol. 8, Hadith 68, pp. 42-43)
A couple of his(saw) other sayings are as follows:
"Do not beat the female servants of Allah";
"Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you."
"They invoke in his (Allah's) stead only females":
The translation of the concerned verse:
(The Pagans), leaving Him, call but upon female deities:They call but upon satan the persistent rebel! (4:117)
How in the world is it insulting to the women? Pagans used to pray to female deities and the Quran says that this is the work of Satan. This does not mean that if someone prays to the male deities then it is not the work of the Satan. Whether male or female deities it is the work of Satan.
A man cannot treat his wives fairly.
It is said in the Quran that there are certain feelings which are not in man's control and one of these feelings is love. You cannot love two wives equally. It is natural that one will be loved more and the other slightly less. There will always be this difference. This is human nature explained in the Quran and it is not at all insulting to either woman or man.
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