Posted by Amir on 3/9/2009, 4:04 am, in reply to "Re: Challenge from Avijit Roy"
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He wrote:
Here I quote some of the verses from the Quran so that we can form the concept of the movement of the Sun:
" And the Sun runs on its fixed course for a term…." [Ya-Sin(36:38)]
".... And He has subjected the Sun and the moon. Each running for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty….." [Az-Zumar(39:5)]
"...He has subjected the Sun and the moon (to continue going round)! Each running (its course) for a term appointed……" [ Ar-Ra'd (13:2)]
"And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the Sun and the moon, each in an orbit running." [Al-Anbiya(21:33)]
"Allah merges the night into the day, and merges the day into the night, and has subjected the Sun and the moon, each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is aware of what you do." [Luqman(31:29)]
I'll also suggest that the interested reader to go through Al-Baqarah (2:258), Al-Kahf (18:86, 18:90) and Ta-Ha(20:130) to affirm the concept that Quran clearly states that Sun is moving.
My response:
Let us look at the Noble Verses that Mr. Avijit Roy raised and some of the details and analysis about them:
"Hast thou not Turned thy vision to one who disputed with Abraham About his Lord, because God had granted him power? Abraham said: 'My Lord is He Who Giveth life and death.' He said: 'I give life and death'. Said Abraham: 'But it is God that causeth the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West.' Thus was he confounded who (in arrogance) rejected faith. Nor doth God Give guidance to a people unjust. (The Noble Quran, 2:258)"
This Noble Verse has no scientific error. Here Abraham, the father of Ishmael and Isaac, peace be upon them, was trying to explain to his people that there is a GOD Almighty bigger and Greater than their idol gods. He causes the sun to rise from the east and set in the west, which their gods can't do.
"God is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord. And it is He Who spread out The earth, and set thereon Mountains standing firm, And (flowing) rivers: and fruit of every kind He made In pairs, two and two: He draweth the Night as a veil O'er the Day. Behold, verily In these things there are Signs For those who consider! (The Noble Quran, 13:2-3)"
In these Noble Verses, we see Allah Almighty declaring that the sun and the moon will keep running in their orbits until their time is up. This is scientifically been proven to be true and their time will end when the Cosmic Crunch occurs, which also was mentioned in the Noble Quran.
Also, "He Who spread out The earth" is "Wa huwa Al-lathi MADDA Al-Ard" in Arabic. The word "MADDA" which was translated as "spread out" actually means "expand" or "made bigger" or "grew". So the Noble Verse should read as "He Who expanded The earth". This Noble Verse doesn't at all suggest that the earth is flat. It simply means that Allah Almighty made the earth big enough to contain GOD Almighty's creations on earth without crowding or lack of space.
Notice also the scientific claim "and fruit of every kind He made In pairs, two and two:", which read in Arabic as "Wa min kulli al-thimar jaalaa feeha ZAWJAYN ITHNAYN". "Zawjayn Ithnayn" literally means either "two pairs" or "a married couple of two". "Zawjayn" either means "pair" or "married couple" or "joined couple" or "united couple", and "ithnayn" means "two".
So the Noble Verse could also be translated as "and fruit of every kind He made in a couple of two", which would coincide to a male and a female.
Important Note: No matter how you translate the Noble Verses, how is it possible for anyone 1400 years ago to even guess that even fruits are formed by male and female sexual connection.
The following is the commentary of Minister (Sheikh) Abdullah Yusuf Ali regarding Noble Verse 13:3:
"Plants like animals have their reproductive apparatus - male stamens and female pistils. In most cases the same flower combines both stamens and pistils, but in some cases these organs are specialised in separate flowers, and in some cases, even in separate trees. The date palm of Arabia and the Papaya of India, are instances of fruit trees which are unisexual. (Cf. 20:53 and 31:10)" [2]
" 'He Who has made for you The earth like a carpet Spread out; has enabled you To go about therein by roads (And channels); and has sent Down water from the sky.' With it have We produced Diverse pairs of plants Each separate from the others. (The Noble Quran, 20:53)"
In this Noble Verse we clearly see Allah Almighty describing the production of the plants through plants unisex.
I want to comment on the translation "The earth like a carpet Spread out", which is "Al-ard MAHDA". "Al-ard" means "the earth" and "mahda" means "to straighten" or "to make straight", or "to comfort (as in mahdi, the comfortor)" or "alleviate".
For instance, When workers build streets, they comfort (mahd) or alleviate the land for us to be able to drive our cars on it.
Again, the Noble Verse doesn't suggest that the earth is flat. It says that Allah Almighty alleviated the land for us "to go about therein by roads".
"He created the heavens Without any pillars that ye Can see; He set On the earth mountains Standing firm, lest it Should shake with you; And He scattered through it Beasts of all kinds. We send down rain From the sky, and produce On the earth every kind Of noble creature, in pairs. (The Noble Quran, 31:10)"
"I think that sex life in plants is referred to, as in 13:3, where see n. 1804, though the pairs here may refer to animals also. "Noble" (karim) may refer to the more beneficent plants and trees (and animals), which Allah has created for man's use." [3]
Please visit: All things are made in pairs according to Islam: [1] [2]
Continuing with the Noble Verses that were raised by Mr. Avijit Roy:
"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: 'O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.' (The Noble Quran, 18:86)"
"Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
"Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy. (The Noble Quran, 20:130)"
I have proven with great details that Noble Verses 18:86 and 18:90 are Divine Figurative Speech, as there are MANY Divine Figurative Speeches in the Noble Quran.
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