Posted by GoBeach on 10/1/2009, 10:51 am, in reply to "Re:FOR BEACH STORM...let me clear the air!!!"
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Their specific comment was 'the students were supporting sports they, La Raza I suppose, did not like or play.' I guess they forgot the university supports majors they, and I, probably don't like or want to get into either. It is a bogus argument to support their quoted racist comment which dissipates as the facts unfold.
Today the CSU is more affordable than when I went there. A college degree for 4 years of hard work, study and about $5K/year is cheap by today's standards anywhere in the U.S.
They make the contention that the CSU is a land grant college, which I believe it is isn't, and a such its missiion is to provide free education to the masses. The State started the CSU with San Jose Normal in 1856(?), it was not a federal alnd grant college. The Normals became teachers Colleges, including Santa Barbara State College now known as UCSB, In the 1950's Clark Kerr, the UC President was aksed to put together a master Plan for higher education in Cailfornia. His plan slated the UC's as research and the CSU as practical application (which is not what happeneed). In the 1960's the State legislature took over complete funding and budget of the CSU and it is under that system we live today.
There is nothing in state or federal law or otherwise that the CSU's should be free because it is a land grant college, like some universities are in Latin America. A proper route into the CSU as per Kerr's plan was via a JC (that would take care of the remedial issues and non-qualififcation in one strke), but it is not the only route. The other is direct application as a freshman.
Times change, our univeristy has gotten better academically and it can get better athletically, but only if this inane fighting over who pays for it stops. If they want to make graduates continue to pay after they graduate, then I'll be the first to ante up. If they want the students to pay because they get the most benefit, then so be it. But as students, grads and taxpayers do not have a big say in what is charged for a univeristy degree and any ancillary concomittant activites, like student clubs, debate teams etc.
Currently the State Legislature has no money to fund at levels required by any CSU/UC. They decided to spend the money elsewhere. Since the CSU/UC's charge tuition, which by default means it not free, then if the Univeristy is to stay in existence, the students need to pay more tuition. Eveyone else pays with their state taxes, most of which happen by the initiative process.
Eudcation in calfiornia is not free. Either the taxpayers pay for it for the students or both. Their is nothing racial about the way hogher education costs work. As a matter of fact, there are many grants etc. that make higher education avialable to poorer students who qualify. This makes the system more than fair, but not free.
If they want t afree education they should look elsewhere.
--Previous Message--
: The writer of this article and his cronies
: wrote an article on the BLR a few months
: ago, basically stating the same thing. After
: the articles in the comment section we're
: racist comments made by this group (one
: going by the name La Raza) In which the
: group said that the white administration is
: racist by forcing white peoples sports down
: our throats. Nobody ever responds to these
: articles so I't doesn't take a rocket
: scientist to come to the conclusion that it
: was an orchestrated and racial attack
: against the president and the athletic
: administration.
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: I didn't make it a racial thing, they did.
: Of course the writer of the article can't
: come out blatantly and say this, but he and
: his posse did under aliases.
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: If it makes you any happier, I was at the
: Dodger game last night hoping they would
: clinch, but it their worst game of the
: season and displayed it with bad pitching,
: no hitting and poor defense. I said earlier
: that Furcal is the key. When he got hot a
: while back they we're playing good ball. Now
: he's cold again and they have been tanking.
: Table setting is a big issue and Manny not
: being able to catch up to a fastball anymore
: doesn't help. He should have taken the 20
: mil when it was offered. They would be
: stupid to give it to him now. I think
: GoBeach is a little miffed too, because he
: remembers when this group pulled the race
: card the first time as well. That was where
: I got the whole "the boy who cried
: wolf" thing.
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: -Previous Message--
: GoBeach,
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: This message was DodgerDarin.
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: I'm not calling you clueless.
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: BTW, I'm a child of Mexican immigrants, born
: and raised in southeast Los Angeles. A
: family of six kids with a family income of
: $28,000 (Thank you dad). Facing a life of
: gangs around me and a public ducation system
: whose drop out rate at my high school was
: 65%, affordable college education was my way
: out. I am ever so grateful for affirmative
: action and a system that allowed to get to
: get affordable higher education. We dont
: live in a cheap state so a CSU system that
: gives people from working class communities
: a chance at the american dream is deeply
: appreciative. So I believe in the message of
: the article. Its not about race, its about a
: chance to live the dream of why my parents
: choose to migrate to the USA. Si se
: puede!!!! (yes we can).
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: --Previous Message--
: Clueless!! When I was 15 I worked and was
: the
: only person working in family. I gave all
: the money to my parents. A year later my
: dad got a job. Storm you don't know what it
: is to be poor and what you have to put up
: with just to go to school and live. I also
: worked when I attended college. If it
: wasn't for the scholarship our Uncle gave us
: I'm not sure I would have finished. When
: people move front and center to make
: statements about the cost of an education,
: please don't talk to me. I've lived it.
: Keep your head down and just keep plugging
: away and you will get there.
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: --Previous Message--
: That article has nothing to do with race.
: Just
: because the writer name is Hector and
: students with ethnic names are quoted does
: mean its about race.
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: I'm sure you have a spanish surname but I
: get the feeling you are pretty much clueless
: when it comes to higher education for the
: working class or low income communities.
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: --Previous Message--
: Hey Hector... kiss my ass essay. The race
: card
: has been flushed down the toilet. Quit
: reaching for it as it has been flushed out
: to sea and devoured by the small fish(es)
: holmes. I guess I'm able to say this only
: because I have a spanish last name...
: anybody else would be called racist.
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: I'm so sick of the owe is me card, stick it
: up your ass as it is an even playing field.
: The boy that cried wolf is even embarassed.
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: --Previous Message--
: That's a good idea. Comm College for
: remedial
: classes.
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: I also think it's high time to re-invent
: college. Sitting in boring lectures where
: the professor talks at a bunch of students,
: especially the largest classes is old
: school. Use the Internet more. I learn more
: in a day now on the Internet than I did in a
: semester in a class. (only a slight
: exaggeration.) But seriously, life changes
: occur so fast and often now the Internet is
: a self-teaching device that is far better.
: Some of the traditional core classes can be
: done better with annimated teaching videos
: on-line. I used to have a psych professor
: who lit his pipe constantly. We counted 65
: lights in a 55 minute class.
:
: Re-think, re-invent, make more relevant...
: save money.
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: --Previous Message--
: I love the line where they quote the Cal
: State
: LA administrator as complaining that
: students can't get into remedial classes.
: Here is a novel idea, eliminate remedial
: classes, and raise the standards to
: eliminate freshmen who need remedial
: classes, let them start out and take those
: classes in Comm. colleges. This would help
: aleviate the budget problems; further, it
: might give HS students an extra bit of
: incentive to pay attention in class.
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: --Previous Message--
: Today's L.A. Times
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: Budget cuts are taking away the right to an
: inexpensive public education, depriving many
: of the right to move up.
: By Hector Tobar
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: September 29, 2009
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: Faculty, staff and students at Cal State
: Long Beach stage a mock funeral for higher
: education last week.
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